B. B. Warfield: "It is very plain that he who modifies the teachings of the Word of God in the smallest particular at the dictation of any �man-made opinion� has already deserted the Christian ground, and is already, in principle, a �heretic.� The very essence of �heresy� is that the modes of thought and tenets originating elsewhere than in the Scriptures of God are given decisive weight when they clash with the teachings of God�s Word ..."
CHURCH THRU ALL AGES
Clement of Rome (fl. c.90-100): "Look carefully into the Scriptures, which are the true utterances of the Holy Spirit. Observe that nothing of an unjust or counterfeit character is written in them" (I Clement, xlv).
Clement of Alexandria (c.155-c.220)
: "... truly holy are those letters that sanctify and deify; and the writings or volumes that consist of these holy letters or syllables, the same apostle consequently calls �inspired by God ...�"Irenaeus (fl. c.175-c.195): "[We are] most properly assured that the Scriptures are indeed perfect, since they were spoken by the Word of God and His Spirit ... all Scripture, which has been given to us by God, shall be found by us perfectly consistent ..." (Against Heresies, II, xxviii).
Gregory of Nazianzus (c.329-388): "We trace the accuracy of the Spirit in detail to each separate stroke and letter; for it is blasphemous to suppose that exact pains were bestowed by the compilers of the Books, or even the smallest letters, without design."
Basil the Great (330-379): "No single syllable of the sacred writings is to be neglected." "Every word or action must be accepted on the testimony of inspired Scripture."
Chrysostom (c.344/354-407): "There is divergence in the historical narratives of the Gospels ... but there is no contradiction."
Augustine (354-430): "Lord, surely your scripture is true, for you, being truthful and Truth itself, have produced it ... �O man, what my scripture says, I say�" (Confessions, XIII, xxix). "I believe most firmly that no one of those authors has erred in any respect in writing" (Epistle LXXXII). "I have learned to hold the Scriptures alone inerrant." "The Faith will totter if the authority of the Holy Scriptures loses its hold on men. We must surrender ourselves to the authority of Holy Scripture, for it can neither mislead nor be misled." "Freely do I admit to you, my friend, that I have learnt to ascribe to those Books which are of Canonical rank, and only to them, such reverence and honour, that I firmly believe that no single error due to the author is found in any one of them." "... the evangelists are free from all falsehood, both from that which proceeds from deliberate deceit, and that which is the result of forgetfulness."
Luther: "The Scriptures have never erred." "Every word of the Bible is God�s word, and therefore the Bible is without error."
John William Burgon:
"... the Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the Throne! Every book of it, every chapter of it, every verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it (where are we to stop?) every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High! ... Well spake the HOLY GHOST by the mouth of the many blessed men who wrote it. The Bible is none other than the Word of God: not some part of it more, some part of it less; but all alike the utterance of Him who sitteth upon the Throne, absolute, faultless, unerring, supreme."Philo of Alexandria, a Jew and a contemporary of the apostles
: "The Jews would die ten thousand times rather than to permit one single word to be altered of their Scriptures."Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin TEACHES:'the human words of the Bible ARE the very Words of God' I suspect that DM does NOT. You, Kevin, will be pleased to know that the Koran does. What, Kevin, do you make of the HUMAN PARTICIPATION PORTION OF SCRIPTURE?PS:If they (the very Words of God) are what you say they are then, you needn't yell quite so much.----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: February 27, 2005 19:52Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein & Karl BarthDoes Barfh teach that the human words of the Bible are not the very words of God, but rather are a fallible human "witness" to the words of God?"The Bible is God's Word so far as God lets it be his Word" (Barth, Church Dogmatics, I / 2, 123)"THE WORD WHICH ENTERS HUMAN EARS AND IS UTTERED BY HUMAN LIPS, IS THE WORD OF GOD--ONLY WHEN THE MIRACLE TAKES PLACE. OTHERWISE, IT IS JUST A HUMAN WORD LIKE ANY OTHER. ... What stands there, in the pages of the Bible, is the witness to the Word of God ... God can be called truth only when 'truth' is understood in the sense of the Greek word 'aletheia'" (Barth, Romans).LOL The more obscure the better for the scholars & politicians"If you ask about God and if I am really to tell about him, dialectic is all that can be expected from me. ... Neither my affirmation nor my denial lays claim to being God's truth. Neither one is more than a witness to that truth which stands in the center, between every Yes and No. And therefore I have never affirmed without denying and never denied without affirming, for neither affirmation nor denial can be final. If my witness to the final answer you are seeking does not satisfy you, I am sorry. It may be that my witness to it is not yet sufficiently clear, that is, that I have not limited the Yes by the No and the No by the Yes incisively enough to set aside all misunderstanding-- incisively enough to let you see that nothing is left except that upon which the Yes and the No, and the No and the Yes, depend. But it may also be that your refusal of my answer arises from your not having really asked your question, from your not having asked about God--for otherwise we should understand each other" (Karl Barth, The Word of God and the Word of Man, Pilgrim Press, p. 209).Karl Barth was asked did he have the same reservations about St. Joseph as about Our Lady. "Not at all" he replied; "I love St. Joseph. I rejoiced when John XIII inserted his name in the Roman Canon. I intend to ask Paul VI to give him prominence," and then a memorable word, "He protected the Child; he will protect the Church." More radically direct was the very sharp criticism of the Marian text by J.J. von Almen of Neuchatel University, Pastor of the Swiss Reformed Church, who held that the Council had no right to eliminate St. Joseph. He was the guarantor before Israel of the messianic tradition and he is the model of male sanctity as is Our Lady of female holiness."The assumption that Jesus is the Christ (1.4) is, in the strictest sense of the word, an assumption, void of any content that can be comprehended by us" (Barth, Romans, p. 36)."THIS TOMB MAY PROVE TO BE DEFINITELY CLOSED OR AN EMPTY TOMB: IT IS REALLY A MATTER OF INDIFFERENCE." (Barth, The Resurrection of the Dead, p. 135)."In a later letter to Gordon W. Clark, Carl F.H. Henry gave a pointed account of the occasion. When he, Henry, asked Barth whether the resurrection event was of such a nature in covering it, that it would have been regarded in the same sense in which the man on the street understands news, Barth became visibly angry and asked, sarcastically, 'Did you say Christianity Today or Christianity yesterday?' He then continued by saying that 'the resurrection of Jesus had significance only for His disciples,' implying that it had no significance to the world. The religious editor of United Press International, Louis Cassels, said upon leaving, 'We got Barth's answer; it was 'Nein' [the German word for 'no']' (Gordon H. Clark, Historiography--Secular and Religious, The Craig Press, 1972, reprinted in Christian News Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p. 1480).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The biblical message is the important issue. Most important. Having said that, here is one more quote from Barth showing the state of affairs in his heart toward Christ. I any have poorly influenced by misquotes and lies about this man, perhaps the following will help put his thinking into context. He says what every person on TT believes and has expressed in some manner of script:
"But, if it is true that this Jesus Christ who was crucified and delivered up to death for us is risen and alive, then it is also true that we who are crucified and dead in Him have a future and hope in the light of the judgment and end which has come upon us in Him.......With His death our death, the death which every man must some day suffer, the death of all flesh is in fact "swallowed up in victory."
Case closed.
Congrats to Andy from one who knows how hard he must work. In the "finals" is the opportunity to have ultimate success. Keep putting yourself in that match, and championship after championship will happen. But you know this. Awesome, dude, from a complete stranger and fellow matster.__________________________________________________
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