----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 02, 2005 09:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Reality vs
Imagination
It rather reflects your connection to reality
Lance; I am still right on target. This thread began with
reality vs imagination and I am still right there in
spite of your attempt to veer off into a Q & A session with you
supplying both questions and answers along with some of the same old
accusations.
Yesterday at our Bible Study we sang a hymn
based on (2 Tim 1:12) titled "I Know Whom I Have Believed" written by Daniel
W. Whittle (1804-1901). And this old saint
knew what he was about. The words to the 3nd stanza read "I know
not how the Spirit moves, convincing men of sin, revealing Jesus through the
Word, creating faith in
Him" - I submit that this is the
ONLY way Jesus is and has ever been revealed because "Faith
comes by hearing and hearing, by the Word of God (Romans 10:17), and if we are
justified before God we are justified by faith (Romans
5:1,2).
To have faith in a figment of your own
imagination has no foundation in God, in fact we are instructed to "Cast down
imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of
God and to bring EVERY thought into captivity to the
obedience of Christ" (2 Cor 10:5); the ppl who God gives over to their own
destructive ways in Romans 1 had become "vain in their
imaginations" so it is nothing to take lightly. for Karl
Barth's teachings to pass muster they would have to undergo the
searchlight of scripture - and so far they have a failing grade.
jt
Am I the only one to have noticed that Jt's
responses to posts function on a sliding scale? The
'scale' reflects a diminishing connection to the content of the post, the more responses there are. If it were a
tactic, it'd be a good one should avoidance be the objective.
Jt:You actually don't see it do you? Should you
ever wish to understand why some just cry 'enough' then, that's part of the
reason. Why not ask questions when you
just don't understand? YOU ABSOLUTELY DID NOT UNDERSTAND GARY OR BILL! If
David's out there 'lurking', he just might have. Terry did not. Linda surely
did not. Kevin COULD NOT. Also Judy, why
not leave off taking 'pot shots' at that which you think you're supposed to
disagree with even when you don't apprehend the meaning of what's being said
(meant)?
Not a claim Lance; I made a comment having to
do with conjuring up some kind of Jesus by using one's imagination which you
apparently see as normal christianity and which to me is
divination. jt
These are not demands. You make a claim on your
own behalf. You are asked to back up this claim. You say that you won't do
it.I believe that what just happened here is in need of little in the way of
interpretation. It is certainly not ironic.
Lance I've got to go out and won't be
back until later today lest you misinterpret my silence. I find it ironic that
you - the one who comes in with the one liner and then retires until the noise
dies down would make these kinds of demands. You who normally speak in
obscure unintelligible sentences (to those who don't spend all of their times
watching movies that is). jt
Jt's 'slip slidin' away' once again. When your
asked ANYTHING with some specificity, you just turn the tables thus,
critiquing the one who asks you a genuine question. Will you:
1. Demonstrate my meaning?
2. Address the issue therein?
Please put up or......
When you, David, Kevin et al SELECT TEXTS which
you deem appropriate for any issue under discussion, you are interpreting,
teaching, imagining..God's own answers to that which is being spoken of. I do
not believe that you've ever 'seen' that, nor do I believe that you ever will
'see' that. IMO it's not complicated.
jt: You don't have to "believe me"
Lance since I'm not looking for followers. However, I do think it tragic that
you know so much about movies and lines in movies and so little about the Word
of God which shows me clearly which type of wisdom has your full
attention. Obviously you are not involved with taking thoughts captive
to the obedience of Christ but rather walking in the counsel of the ungodly
and sitting in the seat of the scoffer (with regard to DM anyway)
jt
I don't demonize any part of the body per se
Lance but without spiritual discernment everyone is open to deception.
Look at how the adversary uses the "imagination" and John Lennon's song is a
perfect example. God does not reveal Himself to mankind through their
fallen imaginations. Nor does He reveal His Word to us in this way.
Faith imagination is a misnomer. How do you know the Jesus you conjure
up is not the "angel of light?" God will either hide or reveal
Himself to whomsoever He wills - and He hides Himself from the proud but gives
grace to the humble. jt
Jt:'I don't want a Jesus of my own imagination..'
1. Please don't demonize the
imagination. It comes into play in all of our thinking
(theologizing).
The kind of 'interpreting' that you, David et al
do on a regular basis.
2. Therefore, like it or not, YOU DO HAVE A JESUS OF YOUR OWN
'IMAGINING'.
G, you sound just like my mother who, last
time I was with her was in total unbelief and I have no reason to believe things have changed since then.
She told me one would have to have a good imagination to
believe the
Bible. This is the fruit of liberal unbelieving scholars and
clergy on the radio and in her Church which BTW has lost it's candlestick and is getting ready to close the
doors and auction the building. God will not be mocked and ppl always reap what they sow. I don't want a
Jesus of my own imagination who would just
be another antichrist figure. judyt
