Dave wrote:
I think one of the biggest /problems /(if that is the proper word to use) I have with Protestantism is their view of hell and damnation. I've said it before, but for some of you who are a bit new to TT, I'll give you a brief explanation. It seems to me that Protestants are far too eager to toss those who don't agree with their perspective of religion on the ash heap of hell, so o speak. Or rather, they seem to pleasure in the thought that God will forever punitively torture those who fail to walk that narrow path and enter the strait gate. I just don't feel comfortable believing in a God who relishes torture, Lance. I prefer to believe God is loving, merciful and would that all his creation benefit from their existence.
Dave, if I may comment on your perspective of "protestants"... I do not find your perception at all be consitent with the Christians ("protestants", if you prefer, although "protestants" does not encompass the whole of Christendom) I have known throughout my life. I know that God wants none to perish, and would like for all to come to Him. However, he is just at the same time, and those who refuse God will have an eternal life apart from Him. It is their own choice. Paul says that God is evident in all of creation, so no man is without excuse.
I have never met a protestant that truly finds pleasure in the thought that unbeleivers will spend eternity apart from God, whatever that may be like. Nor have I ever met ANY Christian who believes that God relishes torture. However, I have heard that from unbeleivers who are looking for reasons to reject God.
The bottom line is that God IS loving and merciful, and would like for all to come to Him, but he also is just. None of us are worthy, Dave as Paul said...none is without sin. And, no man is without excuse, because god is evident in creation. At the final call, either we wil have beleived, or we will not have beleived. And, only a merciful and just God can make that call...only He is worthy to open the book of life.
I am truly sorry that you have that perspective of Christians. (Or, the subset called "protestants" if you prefer). I do not know where you have gotten your information, but it certainly does not reflect the Christians I know or have met. I have never felt that way. In fact, one of the toughest questions I have had to deal with since becoming a Christian is how such wonderful, sincerel, loving people, the Mormons, could be considered a cult, and perhaps rejected by God. I found that the answer lies not in the way one appears to behave, but that one beleives in the true God of thee universe, not some counterfeit.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images] Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:21:01 -0800
Lance Muir wrote:
With a vengeance?
DAVEH: Yes Lance, I meant that in the sense they will soon be flooding my inbox with more than I am capable of assimilating. I did not intend to suggest their posts would be vengeful.
I think not. More likely praising God for the richness of the time they spent at a conference. I'll not steal any of their thunder.
Tell me, Dave, were it to be the case that you are, in reality, quite wrong as to your understanding of God and His Gospel, what do you believe the consequences would be? (eternally).
DAVEH: If I am wrong in my beliefs, then would not my perception of my consequences also be in question?
I think one of the biggest /problems /(if that is the proper word to use) I have with Protestantism is their view of hell and damnation. I've said it before, but for some of you who are a bit new to TT, I'll give you a brief explanation. It seems to me that Protestants are far too eager to toss those who don't agree with their perspective of religion on the ash heap of hell, so to speak. Or rather, they seem to pleasure in the thought that God will forever punitively torture those who fail to walk that narrow path and enter the strait gate. I just don't feel comfortable believing in a God who relishes torture, Lance. I prefer to believe God is loving, merciful and would that all his creation benefit from their existence.
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Dave Hansen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> *Sent:* March 13, 2005 11:15 *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]
Lance Muir wrote:
Is it not me. It is, in reality, Jonathan.
DAVEH: Your son?
His son's name is Jacob. He was born Wednesday past. I did, however, appreciate the humour. Did anyone, other than myself, take note that when the 'initiators' (John, Bill, Jonathan (currently off TT) are absent, that the 'traffic' lessens (as in 'nil').
DAVEH: The silence has been deafening! I've considered posting a few test messages just to see if INNGLORY was down, but I didn't want to be accused of over posting...... ;-)
I do not include DM as an initiator as he simply isn't one. Poor David, he was born with outdated thoughts in his head.(ala Anne Richards) The 'thinkers' are on the way back from Mississippi. I'm confident that they will have much to say.
DAVEH: ??? Does that mean John, Bill & Jonathan will be coming back with a vengeance?
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