***BLAINE: Again, as I have mentioned before, I think you assume too much. To say DNA evidence POSITIVELY demonstrates that the Indians have ABSOLUTELY no inheritance from Hebrew people" is going a bit far, don't you think? This assumes we know all there is to know about DNA of Hebrew people, and all about Indian DNA too, which is obviously not true. Besides, close examination of the BoM reveals that not all "Indians" were necessarily Lamanites. It also reveals that the the setting for most of the BoM was a very small area in Middle and Meso America, probalbly not even as large as the state of Texas. Unfortunately too many people assume too much and generalize too much when they read the BoM and make even well meaning commentary about it. I am absolutely convinced, for instance, that most Indians clearly have at least some oriental characteristics. One such example is the Navaho in Arizona, the largest Indian tribe in North America. Research has shown that at least forty percent of them have the oriental fold to their ey es, along with other characteristices commonly found among oriental peoples. -- "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lets not forget the fact that DNA evidence positively demonstrates that the Indians have absolutely no inheritance from Hebrew people. None. Zilch. Nada. Check out this web page, and especially the video near the end of the page:
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/dna.html "In this non-technical video, Mormon and non-Mormon scholars and scientists talk about the recent scientific discoveries and their implications regarding the reliability of the Book of Mormon. These honest Mormons admit that the information reveals that the major premise behind the Book of Mormon is false - thereby making Joseph Smith a false prophet. Order the video and share it with your Mormon friends!" ***BLAINE: "Honest" Mormons? There are rebuttals to this video out there that claim all these Mormons are not exactly loyalists--they are well known for their anti-Mormon stances. They have simply garnered a lot of data that proves their ax-grinding is justified. Perry >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Indians with Beards >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:44:09 GMT > > >David wrote: Lastly, all those who believe the Bible consider the Indians >of the Western >Hemisphere to have migrated here from the Middle East after Noah's flood, >so >there must be more of a connection established to the imaginary Nephites >than simply art depicting beards. > >Peace be with you. >David Miller. > >BLAINE: Describing the connection I am making between art depicting men >with beards and aquiline features, and BoM Nephites, Jaredites, and >Mulekites as only "imaginary" is, I would say, very cynical. You on the >one hand accept the record of Jesus Christ in the Bible as being true, yet >on the other hand cannot even tell me one actual proof that any written >materials about Him, Bible or otherwise, is anything but written myth. NO >"proof" tells me he ever even lived. You can't even tell me what the man >looked like. Was he tall, did he have a beard, was he brown-eyed, >blue-eyed, fair-skinned, brown-skinned, or what? All you have to go on is >your "imagination." Yet you accept him unquestioningly. How are you >different than myself, and millions of other Mormons, who accept these >bearded men evidences and assume they are "proof" that Nephites of Hebrew >origin lived in the area of Meso-America? At least we know from BoM >descriptions of them that they were "fair," large of stature, intelligent, >and had a language that was unreadab >le except by inspired seers. That is a lot, I would say. We also see >huge quantities of evidence that a people did live in Meso America that >apparently fits these descriptions, along with having cement houses, >barley, etc., as stated in the BoM--all provable now by archeological >findings that in the time of Joseph Smith were unprovable. Faith tells me >there is a great deal to come. Bible experts and archeologists have had >two thousand years to uncover the present wealth of knowledge largely >substantiating the Bible, yet you complain that in 200 years we have not >acquired a comparable wealth of exact information regarding these peoples. >I say this is just plain cynicism on your part. > > >-- "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Blaine wrote: > > ... why not focus on the bearded men facsimilies > > found in Meso-Amewrica? Neither you nor Kevin > > apparently want to discuss this highly meaningful > > archeological fact ... > >The existence of beards is not unheard of among Indians. Consider the >following description of Membertou, an Indian chief in Canada who died in >1611 at over 100 years old: > >From: http://www.danielnpaul.com/Mi'kmaqGrandChiefMembertou.html >Biard wrote that Membertou: "was the greatest, most renowned and most >formidable savage within the memory of man; of splendid physique, taller >and >larger-limbed than is usual among them; bearded like a Frenchman, although >scarcely any of the others have hair upon the chin; grave and reserved; >feeling a proper sense of dignity for his position as commander." > >Note that even babies sometimes have beards. :-) >See: http://www.secretlair.com/babieswithbeards/babies/index.shtml > >You also have to consider that statues do not necessarily depict what is >common place, but rather what is idealized. Gods are depicted often with >beards by primitive cultures. The Pharaohs wore false beards, even >Egyptian >Queens have worn them and have been depicted in statues with them. Statues >sometimes depict dragons with beards too. The Egyptians have thousands of >statues with animal heads such as dogs and falcons (e.g., remember the god >Horus reproduced in your sacred writings?). Are you going to argue that >these represent what the people of an ancient time once looked like? > >Norman wrote: "So how are the numerous sculptures and the terracotta >portraits of heavy bearded 'Indians' explained? Considering their >prominence, there had to be another dominant racial type in the high >cultures of Mesoamerica that no longer exists." I hope you can see the >erroneous logic used here. Such works of art do not necessitate another >dominant racial type that is now extinct. > >Lastly, all those who believe the Bible consider the Indians of the Western >Hemisphere to have migrated here from the Middle East after Noah's flood, >so >there must be more of a connection established to the imaginary Nephites >than simply art depicting beards. > >Peace be with you. >David Miller. > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) >http://www.InnGlory.org > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >---------- >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may >know how you ought to answer every man." 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