You are of your Father
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is more than incredible that we continue to have this discussion. The administration of the will of the Father has changed, folks There is a New Covenant (Jere 31:31-34). In Christ, the accomplishment of His will has taken place (Eph 1:11) and those who live in unbelief are condemned already (John 3:18). Judgment is the recognition of rebellious life choices and only the rebellious will have an after life that would not be of our choosing. Least we forget, it is of their choosing, however. There are no pictures of people in "hell" begging to get out -- is that correct? Their end is fixed before their physical death occurs because after that, there is no life. Call it what you will: spiritual death, eternal death, torment -- whatever, but it is not life. And they [the rebellious] would not want it any other way!!!!!! In terms of demographics, perhaps we have three categories. The rebellious lost; the ignorant "lost" and the "carnal" saved; and the spiritual. God is the Father of them all. When I speak of a differing administration, I include this concept of the "Father." It is exclusively a N.T. term and illustrates perfectly the difference in the administration of the two Covenants. "Father" is a translation found some 14 times in all of the O.T. scriptures and only twice is it used of God. Once in Mal 2:10 "Do we not all have one father ......?" and in Is.9:6 "Everlasting Father," a term applied to the Christ in prophecy. Two times in scripture before the Eternal Son appeared and in both passages, the reference is to the Creator God (Christ) or the Prophetic Christ (The Everlasting Father) So how many times is this word used of God the Father? Once. After the Incarnation? 57 times and the theme of Fatherhood is a continuing thread throughout N.T. literature. Things were always going to be different. That was determined before the foundations of the world. When Caroline speaks of a Father who judges, she speaks correctly. Nothing done by the Father is out of spite or carnal hatred. Nothing. All such statements must be considered in the context of Family. The Father, the Son, and the adoption of sons [and daughters]. The "gospel message" is profaned when the Fatherhood of a Loving God is taken out of the equation by those who seek to control and judge.
JD
In a message dated 3/20/2005 3:18:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
C says How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody
HOW ELSE?
PS 119 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Psa 119:9 Wherewithall shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word
What else!
Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It is out of love that He judges us. How else will we know what we're doing isn't right or hurting somebody or opening doors for Satan? But when we repent (which can run the gamut from realizing we're wrong to being devastated by what we did), He forgives. And then He teaches us the right way.
All credit to Brian McLaren for saying God saves by judging, then forgiving and teaching. It is an ongoing dynamic relationship.
Love,
Caroline
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