On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:03:34 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Lost to the group we call the "apostles?" Lost to a life of
recovery and blessing? Lost to a continued forgiveness of the one he
(Judas) betrayed? Lost to the final blessing of seeing that his
betrayal actually made the resurrection possible? Or lost in
hell? But Judy Taylor knows the answer to this line of questioning
in spite of the fact that we are told that it is impossible for us to judge someone
into eternal destiny. Pity, pity pity.
jt: Lost
means lost JD; the rest is pointless speculation because in that day
Judas is one who will not be found in Christ.. my faith does not extend to
men's speculations.
"Lost in hell" is speculation,
Judy. It just happens to be of the kind that appeals to your nature
and world view.
Only those wishing to avoid the obvious, and
whose hearts are hardened to the Word, would pretend that Jesus was not saying
that Judas was “Lost” (ie: not saved). Read the context of
His entire prayer in John 17, which was only
for those who were saved: Izzy
John 17
1These
words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour
is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2As
thou hast given him power over all flesh, that
he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3And
this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus
Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4I
have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me
to do.
5And
now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had
with thee before the world was.
6I
have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast
given me are of thee.
8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest
me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from
thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9I pray for them: I pray not for the world,
but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10And
all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11And
now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee.
Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that
they may be one, as we are.
12While
I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept,
and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13And
now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have
my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14I
have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not
of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15I
pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou
shouldest keep them from the evil.
16They
are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify
them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As
thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also
might be sanctified through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which
shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me,
and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And
the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me,
and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father,
I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that
they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before
the foundation of the world.
25O
righteous Father, the world hath not known
thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26And
I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in
them, and I in them.
