On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 01:27:01 EDT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this:
Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS.
Jesus didn't live and die as the "King of the Jews" that was a title given by the Romans; in actuality He is the King
of the Kingdom of God which consists of ppl of every tribe and nation.
Read Jere 23: 5,6 the Christ coming as King. You deny this scripture.
The title given in Jeremiah 23:6 is The Lord our Righteousness - where do you get King of the Jews here? v 5 "..he will reign as king ...."
So, while we are proof-texting like a drunken sailor, we might consider this:
Jews lived and died as the the King of the JEWS.
Jesus didn't live and die as the "King of the Jews" that was a title given by the Romans; in actuality He is the King
of the Kingdom of God which consists of ppl of every tribe and nation.
Read Jere 23: 5,6 the Christ coming as King. You deny this scripture.
The title given in Jeremiah 23:6 is The Lord our Righteousness - where do you get King of the Jews here? v 5 "..he will reign as king ...."
The above is prophetic and hasn't
happened as yet JD because Judah is still rejecting Him and hasn't been
saved
Read Matt 2:2 The Magi looking for he who is "King of the Jews."
Persian Magi are not the ones to look to for doctrine JD; astrologers and stargazers will lead you astray.
why are you resisting the
idea that He reigned as King of the Jews? You major in minors more
than anyone I have ever corresponded with. You deny the Eternal Sonship of
Christ , the idea that He was of Jewish lineage, and now that He was the King of
the Jews. What next, I can hardly wait.
Because he didn't JD. During His earthly
ministry Herod was King of the Jews, this is why satan had the
Magi
stir him up and killed all those little ones - Rachel
weeping for her children. I don't deny that Jesus came as God's only
begotten son I merely recognize that He has many other redemptive titles as
well. I don't deny he was born in Bethlehem to a Jewish girl by the name
of Mary. Please don't put words in my mouth JD.
His lineage was Jewish.
His Father is God the Holy Spirit and God the Father is not Jewish.
So, are you denying that He was a Jew?
He was born as both son of God and son of man into that culture under the Jewish Law but the title "King of the Jews" was given as an accusation and nailed to the cross in derision; it is not one of His Redemptive Names Jere 23:5
He was killed by the Jews.
Actually He was killed by the Romans at the insistence of the Jewish leaders (you didn't pay attn to Slade).
Do you deny Acts 2:36 where Peter, speaking to the Jews of Jesus says, " whom ye crucified."
He did say that but must have meant by association because the Romans drove the spikes in and crucifixion was a Roman rather than Jewish death.
You think I don't know that
??!! You just don't want to admit that you are wrong.
Stubborn and rebellious. And who in scripture gets credit for His
death? The Jews exclusively.
I don't
know what you know JD and I don't assume anything in religious circles these
days. One thing I do know is that you keep the accuser and his
minnions busy; he sure has a voice through
you.
The church was EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH THROUGH ACTS 7.
How can you make this claim when the Church are the ecclesia or "called out ones" followers of The Way
Are you denying that the church was Jewish in membership prior to Peter's vision? Then why the vision? And why on earth are you denying any of this. It is just rediculous.
I don't believe the Church had a membership roll either before or after Peter's vision; having a membership roll is a modern day thing that probably has more to do with budgets than anything.
stop being a buub
--- that's right, I called you a "buub !!" Membership role
?? Who is talking about a membership role. ARE YOU DENYING
THAT THE FIRST CHURCH WAS EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH UP UNTIL THE VISION TO
PETER? HOW MANY GENTILES WERE CONVERTED ON THE DAY OF
PENTECOST? HOW MANY PREACHED TO? DO YOU THUNK THAT THIS HAS ANYTHING
TO DO WITH "JEWS FIRST AND THEN GENTILES?"
Yes I am denying that the first Church was Jewish because
Jesus broke down the wall of partition and in Him there is no Jew, Greek, bond
or free. In fact it was the Jews who followed and persecuted Paul and
caused him so much trouble everywhere he went. If they were "in Christ"
then they had left that system behind.
All of his immediate disciples were Jews. Everyone in the upper room (both occasions) were Jewish.
God's Covenant was with Israel through Moses so the message was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel first.
So you are now agreeing with me? This is exactly what I am saying.
I read you saying a lot more than that JD - you've got this whole "King of the Jews" thing going on....
LOL -- NO THERE'S A REAL LIBERAL
TEACHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY MUST AVOID -- WE WOULDN'T WANT
ANYONE THINKING THAT CHRIST WAS THE KING OF THE JEWS. JERE
23:5 ROCKS !!!!
Glad you are amused JD - So you are in perfect agreement
with the Persian magi and with the Roman Governor Pilate. Jesus did not
agree to that title. He told Pilate "His Kingdom was not of this
realm".
The expansion of the ministry (to the Gentiles) is first given to Peter in a vision sometime after the cross.
Peter was sent to the house of Cornelius who was a worshipper who gave alms and who God knew about. However
God was never completely exclusive and Jesus confronted the Jews with the fact that God passed over a lot of widows in Israel and Elijah was sent to one in the city of Sidon; also there were many lepers in Israel and Elijah healed Naaman a Syrian, (because the Jews were covenant breakers) which made the Jews so angry they wanted to push him off the brow of a hill.
No kidding -------- but that does not change the fact of His (Chrsit) statement that His ministry was one to the Jew and not the Gentile AND JESUS SAID, I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL MATT 10:24. Deal with it.
OOOOOPS -- TRY 15:24 BUT YOU
SHOULD KNOW THIS IF YOU HAD BEEN READING ALONG.
I'm trying - Matt 10:24 says "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master" - did you mean to include that? and Mark 10:24 is about how hard it is for those who have riches to enter the Kingdom.
I'm trying - Matt 10:24 says "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master" - did you mean to include that? and Mark 10:24 is about how hard it is for those who have riches to enter the Kingdom.
NOPE -- TRY
15:24.
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When Jesus sends his 12 out on mission, they are sent to the Jews and "not to the Gentiles ) Matt 10:5,6.
Lost sheep (covenant breakers) of the house of Israel.
No kidding.
Are you being patronizing JD?
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When Jesus sends his 12 out on mission, they are sent to the Jews and "not to the Gentiles ) Matt 10:5,6.
Lost sheep (covenant breakers) of the house of Israel.
No kidding.
Are you being patronizing JD?
NO -- JUST BEING MY
TYPICAL AGREEABLE SELF. YOU WEREN'T KIDDING, RIGHT???
In Matt 15:24, Christ tells us that His mission is to the Jews and not to anyone else."
He said healing was the children's bread (children of the covenant) but did he or did he not heal the woman's daughter?
HE SAID I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.
He said "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" but he healed the daughter of that Syrian woman because she was persistent and had more faith than the Jews who rejected Him because of their unbelief.... so God is not as legalistic and locked in about this as you are it seems.
In Matt 15:24, Christ tells us that His mission is to the Jews and not to anyone else."
He said healing was the children's bread (children of the covenant) but did he or did he not heal the woman's daughter?
HE SAID I WAS SENT ONLY TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.
He said "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" but he healed the daughter of that Syrian woman because she was persistent and had more faith than the Jews who rejected Him because of their unbelief.... so God is not as legalistic and locked in about this as you are it seems.
15:24 --
IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE. THAT IS YOUR DEFENSE, JUDY AND IT IS SO
UMBECOMING.
Accuse, accuse, accuse, JD which is oppressive and
probably more unbecoming
Why? How can this be? Because of John 4:7 -- "salvation is of the Jews."
Only because God's oracles were entrusted to them preserved by them for the rest of us; salvation is FOR whosoever will come.
Of course and why are arguing with me about this, again?
Because you make it sound as though you have a Jew fixation or something of that sort.
I'M GOING GO WASH MY
UNDERWARE. I MUST HAVE TWO LOADS TO DO, AT LEAST.
When Christ speaks of the "few there be" who will accept the salvation offered to them,
He is speaking to the Jews and of the Jews.
No His Words are for every generation even for those who are far off. As many as God the Father sends Him.
Read the parable of the sower JD. The field is the world.
When Christ speaks of the "few there be" who will accept the salvation offered to them,
He is speaking to the Jews and of the Jews.
No His Words are for every generation even for those who are far off. As many as God the Father sends Him.
Read the parable of the sower JD. The field is the world.
IS MATT 15;24 FOR ALL AND EVERY
GENERATION.
All of God's Word is for every generation
but it is of no avail to those with no
understanding.
I don't know if I have used the word "exclusive" in anything I have written. If I have, that was a mistake.
That does not change the fact that He came to the Jew only His words not mine.
For the first 3 1/2yrs of His ministry but His Words are eternal, they will judge us in the last day (Jn 12:48) and they are not for Jews only because in Him there is no Jew, Greek, bond, or free.
JUDY, WHAT HAVE YOU
DONE? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST AGREED WITH ME. 3 1/2 YEARS =
EARTHLY MINISTRY. HIS WORDS ARE ETERNAL. WHY HAVE WE SPENT 3 DAYS ON
THIS WHEN, IN THE END, WE AGREE. JUDY, I
PERSONALLY THINK YOU ARE ONE FOXY PENTECOSTAL. THAT'S
RIGHT. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE GOING FOR YOU -- A LOVE FOR HIS WORD
THAT FORCES YOU TO KEEP GOING NO MATTER WHAT; A CONCERN FOR RIGHT
THINKING THAT IS OVER THE TOP BUT EXTREMELY ADMIRABLE; A DESIRE TO
FUNCTION AS A STUDENT OF GOD'S WRITTEN WORD AND A FAITH -- IF I KNEW
YOU IN PERSON -- YOU WOULD BE ONE TO IMITATE. I
DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG, HOWEVER, BUT
ENCOURAGED BY GOD'S PROMISE TO 'MAKE YOU STAND.'"
:-)
YOUR VERY GOOD FRIEND AND FAVORITE LIBERAL. jD
YOUR VERY GOOD FRIEND AND FAVORITE LIBERAL. jD
Does He intend to included all of mankind? Absolutely -- and He does.
Glad he has your permission JD
this is all you have to say in making your point and you wonder why I see rebellion and stubbornness
in you, Judy.
But there is a politic to this inclusion that began with Adam and came down to the world through Israel.
God is not and never has been political; He is Sovereign Lord over all mankind.
What ?? !! Do you think I am accusing Him of running for mayor ??!!!
But, o.k., I will use a different word - PROCESS.
The picture of the uncountable multitudes in Rev. 7 is a blessed hope for us all and is UNDENIABLE,
folks (in a meaningful sense of the word.)
If this is where you were headed with all that rhetoric about Jews JD - you missed the mark BIG TIME (emphasis)
Judgment is for all who are lawless, disobedient, stiff necked, stubborn, beer drinking, and rebellious.
Der-ahh !!
I should get three points for this slam dunk !!!! Pastor Smithson
In your dreams maybe.....
Emphasizing ----------------- not shouting. But don't answer. Nothing knew.
JD
