Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen

[Caroline Wong]

You can biblically support exactly that: We're all born sinners into the hands of an angry God. Some will become saved, stay saved to the end and escape their hellish life and destiny.   You can also biblically support this: We're born ignorant of God's love and what He has done for us in Christ. We're born into a war zone. We are sinned against and we sin. Then somehow, people start to find out who God is, who the enemy is and who they are in God's eyes. They turn from what is not good to pursue what is good which is found in the perichoretic life of the Triune God.   Choose you this day what you believe and how you'll live your life AND how you seek to bring another soul out of darkness and into the light. BTW, you can always change your mind on a future date. No penalty exacted except the chagrin of lost years - lost years that God paradoxically promised to redeem as well.   Love,   Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and the pigpen Actually JD what we are saved from is the wrath of God against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. and since we are born into this world spiritually dead in trespass and sin we're sitting ducks but unaware until God's Law shows us our need for Christ.  judyt     On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:40:42 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Matt 1:21:   For he shall save his people from their sins.                Sin is something we do to ourselves. It brings death.   We are dead already.              He saves us from ourselves !! Matt 8:25    (in the storm) Lord, save us.               Here, salvation is the work of the Lord from physical disaster. Matt 16:25 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it              Lose of life in this context is self denial.   Again, salvation is deliverance              FROM SELF.     Matt 18:11   The Son of Man came to seek and save the lost.              Here, it means to me "recovery and direction."   (he goes out and recovers              a sheep that is lost).        I am saved when I received by the Shepherd and given direction.  This              direction  (the road map) is within the flock  --  (Heb 10:24  let us stimulate              one another to love and good works   --  that is our road map)  Lk 18:42   Thy faith hath saved thee  (made you well  -----   same word as all of the above)              Salvation, here, is physical healing because of our faith.  I Pet 3:21   baptism doeth also now save us.                a personal effort offers "salvation"  --  again from ourselves  --  a request for              good conscience  through the resurrection.  Without Christ, we are lost, of course.   I drive and drive, confident that I can find my own way without directions from Another.   In the end, about to run out of gas (death on the highway) and confused  --  He seeks me out and gives me direction.  Salvation is different from reconciliation.   Just as the Covenant is unilateral, so is reconciliation.   Salvation is somewhat different.   Salvation = the proper direction in life.  Hence the need for repentance.   If we are headed in the wrong direction, we need to turn around and go home.   In the parable of the prodigal,  the Father WAS there -- in the pigpen  ----   and the son knew.   He turned to his father in that pigpen.   When he left that pigpen  HE WAS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.   He was saved.   Jd   out loud