jt: Do you hate him
JD because he
speaks the truth to you?
Not even close
-- hatred expects and desires harm. I hope only the best for
King David. I was quite taken with David in the
beginning.
jt:
What happened to change your mind - I can't see that he has
changed? Calling him King is sarcasm, so you are not walking in love
toward him.
If David is as gifted with
others and he is in his understanding of me -- he needs to
take up golf.
jt: You do the same with me JD. I have
to say the same thing over and over ad nauseum and you still misquote and
misunderstand constantly... but sigh! Love is patient and since God
has been so longsuffering with us, we have no right to demand
... If you don't agree with him
then at least raise a rational objection with a basis in
scriptural or other grounds
These personal attacks are a
downer - they don't edify anyone. jt
That I do..
jt: I must have missed it then.
I've not seen a well thought out scriptural argument to anything David has
written from you or Lance only ridicule, sarcasm, and derogatory personal
evaluations.
JD your "immersion" is running
thin.......... what happened to all your pious talk?
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dated 4/20/2005 7:34:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
This is a true statement, John, but I'm not sure you understand
it.
If this sentence stood
alone, Judy, no criticism would be due. But, David
has majored in condescension on so many occasions that his sentence,
here, opens the door to criticism.
jt: He says he is "not sure" so why not
just explain that you do understand it and then tell him what your
understanding is?
DM: I think we all have agreed previously that the one
who is perfect in love does not sin.
David thinks that he can
manipulate the discussion with statements such as this one. He
uses this tactic fairly often. The fact of the matter is
this, "we" have never agreed that one who is perfect[ed] in love does
not sin.
jt: Why not, don't you believe 1 John
3:9 is included with the rest of scripture? Also why are you always
looking for "tactics" I don't see this at all in what DM
writes.
David, you miss Judy, and
others do not understand what it means to be "falling short of the
glory." THAT, I believe, is one of the central issues in the
continuing debate between the Two Camps. Gideons Gospel
Crusaders, the A Team, Camp Solidarity, the Righteous
Triad holds to the biblical teaching that we have been perfected by
Another -- that righteousness is, in deed, a desire of
God; so much so that, while he waits on our efforts at same, He
has declared us to be righteous because of faith
!!!!!
jt: I do understand what missing the
mark means JD and I'm sure DM understands this also - Where
we differe is that you are claiming that Jesus did it all, that everything
you stand in is His. Whereas my belief is that, He paid the price and made
the way but now we are supposed to walk in it. Faith without
corresponding actions is considered by God to be dead - So when we love
Jesus and believe what He says we obey Him and obedience is
really the bone of contention here.
The B Team, those who have
taken the fun out of Fundies, Camp Justice, the Inspired
Interpreters of the Whats Happening Now Church of the Not So Eternal
Firstborn, they prefer the teaching that God is not only limited
but stymied in His ability to save mankind; salvation is going
to heaven because we do the right things; and hell is a ponding basin
for Gideon's Gospeleers. Faith verse works.
The oldest conflict in the church's long and storied history.
jt: In your mind maybe
JD. I don't struggle with that controversy at all - never have. Obedience is
not works, it is the natural outgrowth of "saving"
faith. If your faith is of the other variety. Oh
well!! Sorry about that.
What would happen if the
Triad Collection were not here? You guys would be tearing each
other up -- because each of you has a "list of essentials"
that differes with the others and you have not a clue on how God wants you
handle those differences. As long as Bill, Lance and
Company are here, it is allows you(all) to forget that you,
individually, agree with no one !!!
