[TruthTalk] Hell

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IMPLICATIONS  IMPLICATIONS  IFF He (Jesus) wasn't communicating what YOU think He was communication then, what will you do?   I just found Elsman's response to BillW concerning hell written a year ago today which you may find interesting; he makes a good argument and I like his presentation ..... all from scripture - This is one of his finer moments :-)   So WDYT?  jt BILL, YES, LET'S ALL HEAD FOR THE CITY OF THE NEW JERUSALEM , ALL ON THIS FORUM. RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE A TOUGH SCRIPTURAL CASE TO PROVE THAT THERE IS A SECOND-CHANCE TO BE SAVED FROM SIN: A. AFTER WE DIE. B. AFTER THE "DAY OF THE LORD", IF WE ARE ALIVE AT THAT TIME. C. CERTAINLY, AFTER THE "NEW JERUSALEM" COMETH DOWN WITH ITS RIVER OF LIFE. I ASK YOU TO RE-EXAMINE REV.21: 6-8, WHEREIN THE DIE IS CAST, I.E. THE SINNERS SHALL "...HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE, WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH." THUS, I DID NOT SEE THE "LAKE OF FIRE" DEALT WITH IN YOUR VERY CREATIVE ANALYSIS OF POETIC LICENSE, AS SOME WOULD SAY. SURELY, THE SINNERS WON'T BE LOUNGING AROUND OUTSIDE THE CITY WALLS OF THE "NEW JERUSALEM", SOME SEEKING TO BE SAVED AT THE LAST SECOND BY LAPPING LIVING WATER OF THE RIVER OF LIFE. INDEED, IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM REV. 22:11 THAT : "...HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL, AND HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL...." IN OTHER WORDS, STATUS IS SET FIRMLY, NEVER TO CHANGE WHEN WE GET BEYOND DEATH TO JUDGMENT, AS HEBREWS REMINDS US ( "...IT IS APPOINTED UNTO MEN ONCE TO DIE, AND THENCE COMETH THE JUDGMENT..."). ALL THOSE MORMON AND CATHOLIC PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD---AND CEREMONIES AND MASSES AVAILETH NOT. THE DIE IS CAST AT DEATH. IN SHORT, IF YOU EVER SEE A SINNER THAT YOU KNEW IN THIS LIFE , AS HE IS HEADING FOR THE LAKE OF FIRE, YOU CAN EXPECT HIM TO BE ANGRILY CURSING GOD, NOT COVETING THE RIVER OF LIFE WATERS----EVEN THOUGH WATER WOULD BE A BLESSING IN THAT LAKE, WHERE THE WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NEVER QUENCHED. SINNERS ARE MORALLY INSANE IN A ROMANS 3 SENSE. SUCH IS THE ALIENATION OF THE UNREPENTANT SINNER FROM HOLINESS-----EVEN IF, AS IS THE CASE, THE CHRISTIAN'S ESSENTIAL HOLINESS IS VICARIOUS, SUBSTITUTIONARY AND PROXY, VIA THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB JESUS THAT TAKETH AWAY OUR SINS. HALLELUJAH!!! THAT IS THE WOW, WOW, WOW!!!---THAT HE WOULD DO THAT FOR US!!! ----ELSMAN, THE LAWYER ARGUING HIS CASE FOR RIGHT-DIVISION OF SCRIPTURE, FINELY-TUNED.