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I both like and agree with some of what I've read
from every TT participant. The operative word? 'some'. Do you not approach TT in
the same fashion. Do you not approach the LDS in the same way? If you don't you
just might be an auotomaton.
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Sent: May 04, 2005 02:11
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible
DAVEH: Sorry 'bout that, Lance. Let me try it
again. You posted negative material relating to the BofM. The
author used an example that you disagree with to draw conclusions (detrimental
to the BofM) that you do agree with. That seems a bit incongruous
to me, so I was wondering if you considered that anomaly when you posted
it. Or...perhaps you did not read it before posting....
Lance
Muir wrote:
You lost me.
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Sent:
May 03, 2005 10:12
Subject:
[Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV
Bible
DAVEH: Then does it concern you at all to post his
conclusions when they may be based on assumptions to which you do not
subscribe?
Lance Muir wrote:
Presently, I do not.
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Sent:
May 03, 2005 02:27
Subject:
[Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV
Bible
DAVEH: Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below)
believe Jesus did not speak the words of Mk 15-18 as mentioned below?
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Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27
Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible
The Book of Mormon and the King James Version
(1999)
Curt van den Heuvel
Introduction
The King James Version of the Bible is, in all likelihood, the
most successful of all the English translations. Volumes have been
written on its distinctive and rhythmic style, and it is still
regarded as a triumph of modern English literature.
................
A similar problem affects Mormon
chapter 9. Verses 22 through 24 read
For behold, thus said Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
unto his disciples who should tarry, yea, and also to all his
disciples, in the hearing of the multitude: Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel to every creature; And he that
believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth
not shall be damned; And these signs shall follow them that
believe--in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak
with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink
any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on
the sick and they shall recover...
Similarly, Ether
4:18 reads
Therefore, repent all ye ends of the earth, and come
unto me, and believe in my gospel, and be baptized in my name; for
he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned; and signs shall follow them that
believe in my name.
Both these passages are quotations from Mark 16, verses 15
through 18:
And he said unto them, Go ye into
all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that
believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that
believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak
with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink
any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on
the sick, and they shall recover.
The problem here is that these verses are
part of the so-called long ending of Mark, generally thought to be a
late addition to the Marcan text. Neither the Siniaticus nor the
Vaticanus, the two oldest Greek texts, have this ending. (The New
International Version has a note which reads `The most reliable
early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark
16:9-20'). If this is true, it is quite impossible for Jesus to have
spoken these words.
Conclusion
It is very evident that the Book of Mormon owes much to the King
James Version. Since this particular version of the Bible was not
translated until 1611, it means that the Book of Mormon cannot be an
ancient work as Joseph Smith
claimed.
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