RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

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Are you sure it’s not just where you hide out when you’re in the doghouse with the wife???   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   I'm nuts!   ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 04, 2005 04:48 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   Lance, aren’t you working at the bookstore a bit late tonight? What the heck is everybody doing up in the middle of the night??? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   I both like and agree with some of what I've read from every TT participant. The operative word? 'some'. Do you not approach TT in the same fashion. Do you not approach the LDS in the same way? If you don't you just might be an auotomaton. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 04, 2005 02:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   DAVEH:  Sorry 'bout that, Lance.  Let me try it again.  You posted negative material relating to the BofM.  The author used an example that you disagree with to draw conclusions (detrimental to the BofM) that you do agree with.  That seems a bit incongruous to me, so I was wondering if you considered that anomaly when you posted it.  Or...perhaps you did not read it before posting.... Lance Muir wrote: You lost me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 10:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   DAVEH:  Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions when they may be based on assumptions to which you do not subscribe? Lance Muir wrote: Presently, I do not. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk Sent: May 03, 2005 02:27 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus did not speak the words of Mk 15-18 as mentioned below?   ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27 Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (1999) Curt van den Heuvel   Introduction The King James Version of the Bible is, in all likelihood, the most successful of all the English translations. Volumes have been written on its distinctive and rhythmic style, and it is still regarded as a triumph of modern English literature. ................ A similar problem affects Mormon chapter 9. Verses 22 through 24 read For behold, thus said Jesus Christ, the Son of God, unto his disciples who should tarry, yea, and also to all his disciples, in the hearing of the multitude: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature; And he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned; And these signs shall follow them that believe--in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover... Similarly, Ether 4:18 reads Therefore, repent all ye ends of the earth, and come unto me, and believe in my gospel, and be baptized in my name; for he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned; and signs shall follow them that believe in my name. Both these passages are quotations from Mark 16, verses 15 through 18: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. The problem here is that these verses are part of the so-called long ending of Mark, generally thought to be a late addition to the Marcan text. Neither the Siniaticus nor the Vaticanus, the two oldest Greek texts, have this ending. (The New International Version has a note which reads `The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20'). If this is true, it is quite impossible for Jesus to have spoken these words. Conclusion It is very evident that the Book of Mormon owes much to the King James Version. Since this particular version of the Bible was not translated until 1611, it means that the Book of Mormon cannot be an ancient work as Joseph Smith claimed.   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.