Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Proof of Jesus?

[Judy Taylor]

Available to ppl is one thing, culturally caught up is something else again; what do we have to offer when we are 'just like them' and involved in the same things. But then I guess your doctrine of the 'incarnation' would cover all that..  What do you suppose it means not to love the world or the things that are in the world because to do this is to find oneself Gods enemy?  jt   On Wed, 11 May 2005 05:08:54 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Some may, others may not. Your way of living is good 'for you'. Others are and, ought to be, more culturally engaged. From: Judy Taylor   But I am not saying "we're all human" Lance because this statement IMO most of the time is an excuse to keep sinning. I believe the reason for what you call the level of frustration at being unable to be understood by me is because you are not speaking Kingdom language - You communicate on what I consider to be a worldly level. As for me, I watch a little News but that's about it. I'm not interested in worldly entertainment, philosophies, music, or the arts .. and I don't apologize for that.  Life is much too short to waste any more of it than I already have.  jt   On Tue, 10 May 2005 08:35:00 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What you just said that I believe warrants serious attention (mine/others): 'if/when' Amen! 'not wrong 100% of the time'=no one is perfect/we're all human=you just said nothing! (up is not down/black is not white)    What did not receive even 'honorable mention': The level of frustration expressed by many at their failed attempt to be understood by you.   What I have said, do say and, will continue to say:You, Judy, are a faithful servant of God. I thank God for you. From: Judy Taylor   I'm not God Lance but if/when I say what God says and you reject it - you are not rejecting me you are rejecting Him; that's just the way it is.  Not to say I have it all together but I am not wrong 100% of the time and some of what you label bizarre just may be so.... especially since your interpretation is so out of whack because of the 'enlightenment' - jt   On Tue, 10 May 2005 07:44:13 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hearing God through His Word and exactitude in interpretation are two very different categories. As someone who is so often 'misinterpreted, Judy, I should have thought you'd have understood that by now. That is why, in spite of some of your rather bizarre theological observations, I see the heart of a faithful servant of God in you. From: Judy Taylor They have boxed themselves in Izzy - because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God and they can not receive the Word of God because ITO noone can rightly interpret same which is very sad..... I have to wonder if this is a sign of the times we are now living in.  judyt   On Tue, 10 May 2005 05:42:02 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Izzy's stance below is an attempt to have one's cake and eat it too: to live by a system in which all truth claims must be submitted to the criterion of "proof" while at the same time exercising, about this particular truth claim, a confidence that is independent of proof.   Debbie   Where�d you get that assumption, Debbie?  My stance is no such thing�that is only your inference.  I never required �proof� to believe, and don�t require �proof� to continue to believe.  But, since you were the one to ask the question, if you COULD prove to me that Jesus wasn�t �real� I would have to no longer believe in Him, or live in total denial of actual proof.  That isn�t faith; it�s insanity. Faith triumphs over doubt�not over actual reality.  I can have all the faith in the world that the gravity doesn�t exist, but that doesn�t get me anywhere.  If God could be proven to not exist (I have a hard time even writing something so ridiculous) it would be foolish to continue to believe, as there would be no possible purpose or reward for it.    Perhaps you have decided ahead of time to believe in spite of real proof to the contrary because you think it is possible that He can actually be proven untrue? I have no fear of it, and don�t go seeking after proof for that reason�I need no reassurance that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life. He is my every breath. Izzy