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From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 07:17:32 -0700
Judy Taylor wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005 00:09:26 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes:DAVEH: Do you believe you have a spirit as well, Judy? Does having a spirit change the way one looks? If you do not believe God looks like a man, then what do you think he looks like??? Do you believe Jesus is in the express image of his Father in Heaven? (Heb 1:3)
DAVEH: Sure....God does look like a man, Kevin. If Jesus was
the Son of man (Jn 3:13), then do you not think his Father in
Heaven was a Holy Man? No; God is a Spirit (John 4:24) - Jesus took our likeness upon
Himself for a purpose. Psalm 91:4 speaks of God's feathers and
wings, do you suppose he looks like a bird/ a chicken
And, if Jesus' physical body was in the form of a man, do you notDAVEH: Do you believe it is important to understand the nature of God, Judy?
think his pre-mortal spiritual body may have been in a similar
form? No; before he took a body upon Himself he was God the Word who
appeared in His preincarnate state as
an angel, a cloud, fire, water from the rock. You can't figure out
God with a carnal mind Dave.
To answer your last question....yes, many things are created in aDAVEH: Really?!?!?! So you would believe (don't let me put words in your mouth) that we could have been born with 4 legs and a tail and still been in the image of God?
form before they become the actual entity. If we were created
in the image of God (Gen 1:26), and we will be like him when he
appears (1Jn 3:2), then does it not follow that God looks like a man?
No; the "image of God" speaks of nature and character.
You are trying to mix the spiritual with the temporal.DAVEH: You are losing me on that one, Judy. Do you not believe Jesus currently has a resurrected physical body that resembles that of a man?
The temporal is passing away - only the spiritual is eternal. Transformed bodies are part of it but this does
not mean that Good looks like a man. He did not leave us any
representation of Jesus, noone knows what
he looks like other than he wasn't all that good looking.
DAVEH: What difference does it make that Moses did not see God's face. That wasn't the question.....Did Moses see God, and you stipulated that he did......saw his hind parts . So what's to debate.....Moses saw God and lived. God has a body (you've stipulated Moses saw part of that body) which can be seen. Case closed, is it not?God knows our frame, we are such idolaters that we would do the same with him as Israel did with the bronze serpent.
As for him being seen.....is there any question about it? The passages that suggest one cannot see God are obviously
referring to those who are carnal, since there are Biblical
characters (such as Moses & Stephen) who did see God. Furthermore, Gen 32:30 pretty much illustrates that holy men can
see God, and live. Was it not Jesus who said.......
Moses didn't see God, he only saw his hind parts as he passed by
and even that caused his face to shine so
that he had to wear a veil before the ppl. Stephen had a vision
of Jesus standing at the RH of the Father but there is no
indication that he saw the face of God.
He said that because the man he wrestled with represented God. Do you really think that God Himself left his throne in heaven andDAVEH: Do you believe the hindparts Moses saw were God's hindparts, or do you believe they were hindparts of an angel?
came down to earth to wrestle with
Jacob? It was an angel.
DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Judy. So you *do *believe those with a pure heart the shall see God? If so, then why would you take issue with my assertion that God has a body that can be seen?Probably another manifestation of Jesus in His preincarnate state.
*Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.* (Mt 5:8)
...........Do you believe you can see God, Kevin? If not, perhaps
you are not pure enough in heart.
Takes more than presumptuous belief DaveH - It takes a pure heart
(that is what God calls pure)
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So what would he look like? a man? *Can he be seen?* How can you be in the form of a man before you become a man?
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
DAVEH: No Kevin, I am not joking. I believe the Bible teaches that Jesus was the God of the OT before his birth (Jn 1:1-14)....I assume you agree. >From Jn 4:24, you do believe God of the OT was a spirit....is that correct, Kevin? Yet that spirit had the form of a body similar to ours, as is evidenced by Gen 1:26-27 which explains that we were created in his image. Furthermore, Paul suggests Jesus is the express image of his Father. (Heb 1:3)
Moses even describes some of God's body parts in Ex 33:20-23, and whose similitude he beheld as mentioned in Num 12:18. Do you accept the literalness of these descriptions, Kevin? If so, does what I said above make sense now?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
How could he be God in the "form of a man" before he became a man? Your joking with me, that make NO sense.
*/Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
DAVEH: God, in the form of a man consisting of a spirit being. Are we in agreement on that, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
What was he before he "became a man"?
*Hos 11:9 I am God, and _not man_; the Holy One in the midst of thee*
DAVEH: I agree, Kevin. Jesus was not a man before he was born. But, I believe he was literally the Son of Man. When did that happen?.....after his birth. Not only was he the Son of Man, but he himself _became a man_, and was subsequently resurrected after his death when his spirit body was united with a physical body of flesh and bones to become an exalted man. With what part of this do you disagree, Kevin?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
If I incorrectly told you items about my wife
Hair color, likes dislikes, how we met, where we
married, where she was born (it was not Jerusalem : )
She would not be pleased. Her desire is that I
know her.
God wants you to know him, He is a jealous God
He wants your love and affection.
If your description of Him is off, you are
worshipping a god of your own making
*Hos 11:9 I am God, and _not man_; the Holy One in
the midst of thee*
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