It is interesting to me that the arrogant Daivd (Psalm 7) remained a sinner and fully capable of the most disgusting of sins; a man who shouted out about the angry God and harsh judgment UNTIL the finger is pointed in his face.
Does this make the man that has addictions a more spiritual man?
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I do not understand why you say the term "carnal Christian" is a misnomer coined by menwhen it is so clearly a biblical word and concept used by Paul in the scripture cited. I do not doubt that in terms of event sin, you are an example of what is right about The Faith and God's workings within the heart of the believer. But it is a mistake to think that your experience is the same for all who are children of God. brethren in John's sphere of influence may have had a problem, a falling short, of the practice of brotherly love. Obviously, the Corinthian church had more than one issue including divisive and sectarian bickering. And I could go on to include criticism recorded in every letter written to members of the first church. Ephesians 4:17 ff states clearly that the brethren there had not completely broken away from the pagan life -- babes in Christ, still carnal.It all goes back to this growth thing. You imply that 20-40 years is enough time to get it right. Maybe. But, if that is a universal truth of some sort, why is it not a statement of scripture? Do you understand that I quote scripture, here? I read "carnal -- babes" in I Co 3:1 and know that I must, asa student of scripture, accept the implications implicit in Paul's use of those words.Regarding Psalm 51 -- I believe that Psalm 7 was written by David before Nathan paid him The visit and Psalm 51 was written afterwards ------------- perhaps immediately afterwards. His contrast of an angry God with a merciful God is profoundly obvious in the two psalms. Both statements are his opinion of God. It is interesting to me that the arrogant Daivd (Psalm 7) remained a sinner and fully capable of the most disgusting of sins; a man who shouted out about the angry God and harsh judgment UNTIL the finger is pointed in his face. After Nathan's judgment, David appeals to a merciful God and acknowledges the this same God, the Giver of the Law, is more interested in brokenness and contrition of heart than He is of obedience (51:16-17). That is not to say that God cares not for obedience. There is a place for such and de sire in His heart for obedience in the life of those who follow Him -- but before obedience can work, the lesson of contrition must be received.JD
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JD the term "carnal Christian" is a misnomer coined by men; when Paul wrote this to the Corinthians who were in all kinds of envy, strife, and disunity, I for one am convinced that he was not starting a "Carnal Christian" doctrine so that we could stay in our filth. This "babe in Christ" thing is a bit much after being a believer for 20-40yrs - kind of like the idea of "sinning that grace may abound" Hebrews teaches us that "the earth that drinketh in the rain (doctrine) that cometh oft upon it and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed receiveth blessing from God. But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing whose end is to be burned" (Heb 6:7,8)Being burned is not a blessing. What does Psalm 51 have to do with God being angry every day with sinners? jtOn Tue, 17 May 2005 21:01:00 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]com writes:The same writer who gave us Romans also wrote I cor 3:! which makes it clear that there are carnal Christians ---------- babes in Christ. Is God happy or pleased to realize that there are those who have not progressed as He would prefer? Of course. Are carnal saints pleasing to God? Nope. But they are "babes" nonetheless...... having life in the family of God. The contrast between Ps 7 and Ps 51 remains.JD[EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote:==============================================================Probably the grandest lesson ofthe biblical message is that found in the contrast of law to grace through faith and all that such includes (the failure of the law, the Incarnation, the ascension - etc.) The truth of that contrast is at the heart of your difference of opinion with Caroline and others.Regarding Psalm 7:11 -- you press the point that David thinks or writes in this verse that God is angry a good deal of the time. That is David's opinion about God. In his legalism (David's legalism), he somehow has confidence in the wrath of God
The carnal mind is enmity against God. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. For as many as are led by the spirit of God, THESE are the sons of God. To be carnally minded is death. (Little plums from Romans eight, new testament)
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