On the other hand, maybe it does not matter because now I do think you are confused.
LOL
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
John wrote:
> In you statment below, you initiate your "discussion"
> with falsehood -- the claim that I am confused and
> you are not.
I'm not sure where you got that idea. I don't see where I claimed that you
were confused. You made the claim that the teaching of Christ to the
apostles in John 20:22-23 does not include us. I believe it does. This
doubt concerning the reality of the kingdom of God is at the crux of our
difference.
John wrote:
> Grade school combat tactics. Just plain silly.
> Why did Bill leave -- and probably Caroline
> and Debbie? They got of the tactic "win at all
> costs." ... you argue like a school kid.
> "Here's the probelm, John -- I am better than
> you." "Aaahh, no you're not ?" "YES I AM
> AM !!!' " No you're not." "Yes I am too."
> See the second grade tactic.?
No. You misunderstand me. I have an interest in abiding in the apostles'
doctrine. I see what they teach as being applicable to me. You do not view
all of their teachings as being applicable to you. Don't you think this
might cause us to approach Scripture differently?
John wrote:
> David says "Oh, now I see the crux of the matter:
> I follow the Bible and John doe not." Great response.
LOL. You start off your post claiming that I started my post with
falsehood, but you are the one starting off with falsehood. I made no
claims about me following the Bible and you not following it. You asked for
Scriptural foundation for where we might have knowledge of someone's eternal
destiny. I gave you two examples. You then claimed that we are not
included in them because the apostles had a different relationship than we
do with the Lord. I responded that this is the crux of our difference. I
believe that their teaching does apply to us. Personally, I think you do
try to follow the Bible, but in a less pragmatic way than I do.
John wrote:
> Perhaps intellectually challenging to some in your camp,
> but it is a response that avoids the conflict, builds you
> up in your own eyes (and Izzy's -- she will now say
> that I was defeat simply because you said I was confused.)
Maybe you need to quote me where I said you were confused. I looked over
the post but I don't see it.. On the other hand, maybe it does not matter
because now I do think you are confused. You are avoiding discussing our
differences by imagining that I am attacking you when all I did was make the
observation that I believe in abiding in the apostles' doctrine while you
believe they walked in something different than us.
John wrote:
> In P3, you argue that you are in the apostles teaching
> and I am not.
You said that the apostles had a very different relationship with the Christ
than we do.
John wrote:
> You do not teach justification apart from obedience to law.
Yes I do.
John wrote:
> You do not teach Christ as a substitute for in terms
> of faith and righteousness.
Correct, Christ is not a substitute for faith and righteousness in our
lives.
John wrote:
> You do not believe the law to be a "burden"
> although Peter felt this way.
I believe that the covenant of law is a burden but that the law itself is
perfect and leads us to faith in Christ.
John wrote:
> You think hell in somewhere near Compton.
Negative. I've been to Compton and so I realize how people might think
that, but I believe that hell is in the heart of the earth.
John wrote:
> You do not know the fdifference between the old
> sacrifices and the new.
Sorry for my ignorance. Maybe you can enlighten me.
John wrote:
> You consider yourself an apostles on a par
> with Paul and Peter !!!
Negative.
John wrote:
> You tout the rationalism of your thinking and call it enlightenment.
Negative. Enlightenment is the term Bill Taylor used for how I think.
John wrote:
> I could go on --------------------- or
> would you prefer discussing the issue?
I would prefer discussing the issue.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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