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To name just one, Bart Ehrman
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Sent: May 25, 2005 13:19
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching
LDS...
Who? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
The Genesis and Job comments are supported by
some commentators.
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Sent: May 25, 2005 10:29
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk]
mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...
DAVEH: No Judy....I am not kidding, though I may have
chosen better words (counsel) to describe it.
When God spoke as recorded in Genesis (1:26),
he seemed to be discussing the creation with others......
And
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness:.....
.......I believe this was directly (and
pretty much literally) a reference as to what was said at that planning
session, or counsel. Job also referred to such a meeting
(1:6).......
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to
present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among
them.
.......which also addresses Kevin's comment carrying
negative connotations.........
And Satan was a committee
member!
.........Yes, I believe Satan was also present at
that counsel. His unruly behavior led to a war in heaven, and his
subsequent expulsion. Regarding your comment to Blaine,
Judy.......
Blaine scripture teaches nothing about any
pre-existence so it is all a figment of someone's
imagination.
.......I would respectfully disagree, as
I believe there is plenty of evidence recorded in the Bible of the pre-existence.
Judy Taylor wrote:
Planning sessions? Tell me you are
kidding DaveH ... Like God is a committee and needs input? Also my
Bible says that the Holy Spirit is the executor of the will of the
Father and the Word who became the Son. jt
DAVEH: FWIW.....I agree with what you explained below,
Blaine. But I've always thought LDS theology allows that Adam
was a God in the pre-mortal existence, inasmuch as he was one of the
key players (as you indicated below) who sat in on the planning
sessions (so to speak) of the plan of salvation, and then was a/the
pivotal character in implementing the gospel. Is that how you
understand Adam's role/status, Blaine? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: I guess I just can't resist breaking into an
interesting conversation!! Perry you are wrong when you say
Mormons believe Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in
the pre-existance. It is clear and
consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that
1) The man Adam was Michael the archangel in the
pre-existence, 2) that Michael was third in order of authority
in the pre-existence. Both the Father and the Son were above
Michael in authority. Michael was the executive of the will of
the Father and the Son, you might say.
In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Dave,
If I am
"somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You
always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a
mormon...
Perry
>From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
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>Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of
>Teaching LDS doctrine on TT
>Date: Tue, 24 May 2005
06:38:17 -0700
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>
>
>Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>
Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of
>>created beings.
>
>DAVEH: Yes, I
understand that. Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it
>is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals)
apart from angels.
>
>>Correct me if I am wrong,
but don't mormons consider angels to be either
>>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example, don't
mormons consider
>>Michael (the archangel) also to have
been a human at one point...was it
>>Adam? Hasn't he
also been considered to be the mormon god the father? So,
>>basically, one being can be spirit, angel, human, or
god at various times.
>>Am I right on
this?
>
>DAVEH: You are somewhat
close.
>
>>
>>Perry
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