Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

[Lance Muir]

That's apparent. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 25, 2005 15:32 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT According to Lance's Narnia Theory of Interpretation and Post Modern Biblical Relativism, we can never really know what Lance is trying to communicate!  Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, I do see your point and I do agree. But the Bible speaks to be understood, and it is written to inform us. We must interpret, that's true, just as I must interpret your post when I read it. The Bible is very clear on what it means to be a child of God and a brother of Jesus. It requires interpretation to communicate at all, but when something is stated blankly (John 1:12), how much spin can we add before we are misinterpreting? Perhaps I could have said "misinterpret" instead of "disregard," but I do believe the Mormons are genuinely ignoring the Bible's stance on this one. Blessings! --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Christine:Please! One need not disregard the Bible > to believe anything. One > need only disregard your interpretation. What you > find to be the plain > meaning of something is not necessarily what another > thoughtful believe > might find. Agreed? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: May 25, 2005 13:36 > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon > angels. was: Dave uses > Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > > > > > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > > > What a wakeup call. I followed this link and found > > this: > > > > JESUS CHRIST: > > > > LDS--A created being, the first spirit child of > Elohim > > and one of his wives, the spirit brother of > Lucifer > > the devil. > > > > So Jesus and Satan are BROTHERS? I thought Jesus > was > > my brother: Romans 8:29, "For whom he did > foreknow, he > > also did predestinate to be conformed to the image > of > > his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many > > brethren." Paul is clearly talking about our > adoption > > by God the Father, who becomes our Father when we > > "receive" His son (John 1:12) when he says earlier > in > > verse 19: "For as many as are led by the Spirit of > > God, they are the sons of God." Lucifer is not led > by > > God's Spirit. He is engages in warfare against > God's > > Spirit. And he certainly has not received Jesus. > > > > To believe these things, one must first disregard > the > > Bible. > > > > Blessings, > > > > Christine > > > > --- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > There was a significant word game going on when > I > > > first arrived on this forum. LDS using words > that > > > seemed intended to cloak the true LDS > understanding. > > > I think the christians here have a far better > > > understanding of mormonism now then in past > years > > > > > > There are words that are familiar to christians > that > > > have a different meaning to LDS > > > Word Christian LDS meaning > > > Gentile NON Jew - NON LDS > > > angel created spirit being - ressurected man > > > Virgin birth > > > Gospel > > > Fall bad -good > > > Jesus Christ > > > Godhead Trinity - committee composed of gods > > > including SATAN > > > council in heaven - The meeting in the premortal > > > life of the Godhead and spirits designated for > this > > > earth, in which the plan of salvation was > presented. > > > > > > > > > http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/premortal/Council_EOM.htm > > > At a certain point in the council, the Father > asked, > > > "Whom shall I send [as the Redeemer]?" Jesus > Christ, > > > known then as the great I AM and as Jehovah, > > > answered, "Here am I, send me," and agreed to > follow > > > the Father's plan (Moses 4:1-4; Abr. 3:27). As a > > > counter-measure, Lucifer offered himself and an > > > amendment to the Father's plan of saving mankind > > > that would not respect their agency > > > > > > > > > http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/witnessing/terminology.htm > > > > > > > > > Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him > > > credit for being. He knows > > > what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I > have > > > no problem with him > > > pushing his mormon views into the discussions > > > here...I just want him to > > > acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is > > > intentionally misinterpreting > > > this as my not wanting him to espouse mormonism > on > > > the forum. That is NOT my > > > goal. My goal is to get him to own his actions. > To > > > say he is NOT pushing > > > mormonism, then push it anyway is disengenuous. > > > Then, to turn it around as > > > though I do not welcome his mormon views is a > lie. > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > >From: "David Miller" > > > >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon > angels. > > > was: Dave uses Socratic > > > >Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT > > > >Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:31 -0400 > > > > > > > >DaveH wrote: > > > > > Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS > > > theology on > > > > > TT, yet some wish to criticize me for > complying > > > with their wishes. > > > > > Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance. > > > > > > > >Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all > > > about and Dave Hansen's > > > >situation in regards to this forum. > > > > > > > >TruthTalk is meant to be a forum where people > from > > > different religions and > > > >different backgrounds can share their beliefs > and > > > teachings with the rest > > > >of > > > >us. We, in turn, can judge what they teach and > > > examine it. We can raise > > > >objections or questions concerning what is > being > > > said. The goal is > > > >learning > > > >and getting a better undertanding of both what > we > > > believe and what others > > > >believe. > > > > > > > >Dave Hansen is LDS Mormon and he has as much > right > > > here as anybody else to > > > >teach or post his views. In like manner, his > > > teachings will be examined > > > >and > > > >questioned by others. This is the nature of the > > > forum. I would not say > > > >that it is a "no win situation" just because a > > > person's viewpoint is > > > >criticized in this forum. If you share your > views, > > > expect some examination > > > >and perhaps criticism if someone thinks that > the > > > viewpoint deserves such. > > > > > > > >Now in regards to the question of why DaveH is > > > here. I have read both Dave > > > >and Perry's exchange on this, and personally I > find > > > Dave's reasons for > > > >being > > > >here consistent. He has an interest in knowing > what > > > Protestants believe > > > >and > > > >why. He interacts with us, and in doing so, is > > > questioned about his > > > >beliefs. He responds to such questions in a way > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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