Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:   Word game, Perry?!?!?!   You must realize that you are trying to force me into a dilemma.  IF I were to answer as you want me to, I would be lying.   Though my memory may be weak, I surely know my reasons for joining TT and continue to remain steadfast in my explanation of why I came to TT....to learn what Protestants believe, and why they believe such.   If I were to concede to your whining, it would effectively make me a liar in an effort to placate you and any other TTers who want to impose their beliefs on me.  Why should I lie simply to make you happy, Perry?  I really find it rather surprising that you would be comfortable encouraging another person to transgress, when you supposedly believe doing so is a violation of God's law.  Why would you want to sin, Perry....to make you feel better at my eternal expense? Charles Perry Locke wrote: David, Dave is smarter than you are giving him credit for being. He knows what he is doing. He is playing a word game. I have no problem with him pushing his mormon views into the discussions here...I just want him to acknowledge that is what he is doing. He is intentionally misinterpreting this as my not wanting him to espouse mormonism on the forum. That is NOT my goal. My goal is to get him to own his actions. To say he is NOT pushing mormonism, then push it anyway is disengenuous. Then, to turn it around as though I do not welcome his mormon views is a lie. Perry From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS doctrine on TT Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:09:31 -0400 DaveH wrote: > Apparently many TTers want me to teach LDS theology on > TT, yet some wish to criticize me for complying with their wishes. > Seems like a no win situation, eh Lance. Let me clarify yet again what TruthTalk is all about and Dave Hansen's situation in regards to this forum. TruthTalk is meant to be a forum where people from different religions and different backgrounds can share their beliefs and teachings with the rest of us.  We, in turn, can judge what they teach and examine it.  We can raise objections or questions concerning what is being said.  The goal is learning and getting a better undertanding of both what we believe and what others believe. Dave Hansen is LDS Mormon and he has as much right here as anybody else to teach or post his views.  In like manner, his teachings will be examined and questioned by others.  This is the nature of the forum.  I would not say that it is a "no win situation" just because a person's viewpoint is criticized in this forum.  If you share your views, expect some examination and perhaps criticism if someone thinks that the viewpoint deserves such. Now in regards to the question of why DaveH is here.  I have read both Dave and Perry's exchange on this, and personally I find Dave's reasons for being here consistent.  He has an interest in knowing what Protestants believe and why.  He interacts with us, and in doing so, is questioned about his beliefs.  He responds to such questions in a way that he is comfortable. Often the exchange hits a dead end, and some TruthTalk members get frustrated with that (me included), but I don't think that means that his reasons for being here are not being stated properly.  Some have interpreted him to be implying that he wants to become a Protestant if he hears good answers for what Protestants believe, but I have never understood him that way.  He is simply curious and has an academic interest in what motivates us and what makes us who we are.  I'm sure Christians not affiliated with a major institution seems very strange to him.  His life is centered around an institution of authority.  That is the kind of structure he is use to and is comfortable with.  Many of us reject such institutions.  I think Dave is still trying to understand why and how this is.  I suspect it would be easier for him to understand us if we were all Roman Catholic. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.