I'm recommending a weekend workshop for you two and, for CPL and DaveH. I've not yet decided what it shall be called but, it will have something to do with the expressions: 'Oh ya , did not' and, 'liar, liar pants on fire'.
It's posts like these that almost (I said 'almost') begin to make me think that I'M worth reading. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: May 31, 2005 00:09 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit > John wrote: > > The fact of the matter is this: you can never present > > a post in which you copied my words. That is the > > fact of the matter. > > That is not the fact of the matter, that is the lie of the matter. I > brought up a post dated May 26 in which I copied your words exactly as you > wrote them. Your response to my taking time to produce that post was: "I > have already ended this discussion, David. Check precious post." > > Copied below is that post where you failed to consider the evidence. > > David. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:03:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments > > David Miller wrote: > >> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it > > John wrote: > > The very next sentence is EXACTLY what I said. > > John wrote: > >> I wrote: Knowing you are right in some esoteric way > >> is a fantasy of the first order. > > David Miller wrote: > >> That is exactly how I quoted you John. > >> Go back and look at the post. > > John wrote: > > You go back. I already did and the result is the > > very next sentence. > > John wrote: > >> You wrote: "You claim we can't know anything" > > This last sentence is not my quote of you. It is my communication to you of > what I understood you to be saying. It is new content. I precede quotes > with ">" symbols. You asked me to go back and look at the post to see that > I did not quote you correctly. Well, I did go back and look, thinking maybe > I had a problem with my memory and owed you an apology, but instead I found > that you were wrong. I did quote you correctly. Look closely at the second > paragraph in the quote below. However, I do not want to continue this > discussion. We have a new moderator now and we need to get back on the > right foot of discussing interesting subjects, not playing word games of you > said / he said / she said. If you have anything more to say on this thread > (like maybe an apology to me!), please take it private so we don't bore the > rest of the list. I'm not holding my breath because I don't remember you > ever admitting to being wrong. I have already ended this discussion, David. > Check precious post. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation > > > David Miller wrote: > >> I would think from comments you have made that your > >> position would be that there is a little bit of doubt in all > >> of us. Am I mistaken about that? > > John wrote: > > Yes ... > > Knowing you are right in some esoteric way > > is a fantasy of the first order. > > David Miller wrote: > >> You claim that this teaching of Christ does not > >> include us. From my perspective, this emanates > >> from doubt and unbelief. > > John wrote: > > Soooo, if one disagrees with you, the > > problem is always one of doubt and disbelief? > > If I am speaking truth, yes, but the real point is that when somebody > disagrees with Christ, the reason is doubt and unbelief. > > John wrote: > > When you disagree with me, David, it is > > because you are wrong !! That'what I think. > > How can I be wrong if knowing you are right is a fantasy? You are filled > with contradictions here that make further conversation impossible without > first resolving the issue of whether or not we can know anything. > > When I say that your perspective seems to be that there is a little doubt > and unbelief in all of us, you disagree. Yet, you then turn around and > claim that knowing we are right about something is a fantasy. You can't > have it both ways. We obviously have a huge disconnect here in regards to > our terms of knowledge, knowing, doubt, and unbelief. You must be working > from some other definitions of these words or you are a completely > irrational person. > > John wrote: > > It never has crossed my mind that you > > were one of doubt and disbeleif. > > Well, you should be thinking of me that way, because I have quite a bit of > doubt and unbelief. If I did not, I would be walking on water and doing > many of the other things that Jesus said those who believed upon him would > do (John 14:12). > > John wrote: > > Guaranteed I am not. > > And you think I am arrogant and you are not? This is one of the most > arrogant statements I have ever heard on TruthTalk. > > If you know any way to explain what doubt and unbelief and knowledge mean to > you, please try. We have grossly different understandings of these words. > You claim we can't know anything and yet at the same time not have doubt and > unbelief. When my mind hears that, it reacts like that robot on "Lost in > Space" saying, "It does not compute." [I borrowed from my childhood > memories of "Lost in Space" just for Lance. :-)] > > I would like to discuss this subject further, but cannot until you define > the terms doubt, unbelief, knowledge, faith, and explain the relationship > between doubt and unbelief to knowledge and faith. There are connections > between these words that are very important for how I understand our > relationship to the Word (the Logos, Christ, Scripture, etc.). > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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