Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Judy and John on the Law and the Spirit

Tue, 31 May 2005 09:39:11 -0700

jd must have had another attack of TYPOglycemia, It has now progressed to MEMORYglycemia!

> John wrote:
> > The fact of the matter is this: you can never present a post in which you copied my words. That is the  fact of the matter.
>
> That is not the fact of the matter, that is the lie of the matter. I
> brought up a post dated May 26 in which I copied your words exactly as you
> wrote them. Your response to my taking time to produce that post was: "I
> have already ended this discussion, David. Check precious post."
>
> Copied below is that post where you failed to consider the evidence.
>
> David.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:03:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it
>
> John wrote:
> > The very next sentence is EXACTLY what I said.
>
> John wrote:
> >> I wrote: Knowing you are right in some esoteric way
> >> is a fantasy of the first order.
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> That is exactly how I quoted you John.
> >> Go back and look at the post.
>
> John wrote:
> > You go back. I already did and the result is the
> > very next sentence.
>
> John wrote:
> >> You wrote: "You claim we can't know anything"
>
> This last sentence is not my quote of you. It is my communication to you
of
> what I understood you to be saying. It is new content. I precede quotes
> with ">" symbols. You asked me to go back and look at the post to see
that
> I did not quote you correctly. Well, I did go back and look, thinking
maybe
> I had a problem with my memory and owed you an apology, but instead I
found
> that you were wrong. I did quote you correctly. Look closely at the
second
> paragraph in the quote below. However, I do not want to continue this
> discussion. We have a new moderator now and we need to get back on the
> right foot of discussing interesting subjects, not playing word games of
you
> said / he said / she said. If you have anything more to say on this
thread
> (like maybe an apology to me!), please take it private so we don't bore
the
> rest of the list. I'm not holding my breath because I don't remember you
> ever admitting to being wrong. I have already ended this discussion,
David.
> Check precious post.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells- Salvation
>
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> I would think from comments you have made that your
> >> position would be that there is a little bit of doubt in all
> >> of us. Am I mistaken about that?
>
> John wrote:
> > Yes ...
> > Knowing you are right in some esoteric way
> > is a fantasy of the first order.
>
> David Miller wrote:
> >> You claim that this teaching of Christ does not
> >> include us. From my perspective, this emanates
> >> from doubt and unbelief.
>
> John wrote:
> > Soooo, if one disagrees with you, the
> > problem is always one of doubt and disbelief?
>
> If I am speaking truth, yes, but the real point is that when somebody
> disagrees with Christ, the reason is doubt and unbelief.
>
> John wrote:
> > When you disagree with me, David, it is
> > because you are wrong !! That'what I think.
>
> How can I be wrong if knowing you are right is a fantasy? You are filled
> with contradictions here that make further conversation impossible without
> first resolving the issue of whether or not we can know anything.
>
> When I say that your perspective seems to be that there is a little doubt
> and unbelief in all of us, you disagree. Yet, you then turn around and
> claim that knowing we are right about something is a fantasy. You can't
> have it both ways. We obviously have a huge disconnect here in regards to
> our terms of knowledge, knowing, doubt, and unbelief. You must be working
> from some other definitions of these words or you are a completely
> irrational person.
>
> John wrote:
> > It never has crossed my mind that you
> > were one of doubt and disbeleif.
>
> Well, you should be thinking of me that way, because I have quite a bit of
> doubt and unbelief. If I did not, I would be walking on water and doing
> many of the other things that Jesus said those who believed upon him would
> do (John 14:12).
>
> John wrote:
> > Guaranteed I am not.
>
> And you think I am arrogant and you are not? This is one of the most
> arrogant statements I have ever heard on TruthTalk.
>
> If you know any way to explain what doubt and unbelief and knowledge mean
to
> you, please try. We have grossly different understandings of these words.
> You claim we can't know anything and yet at the same time not have doubt
and
> unbelief. When my mind hears that, it reacts like that robot on "Lost in
> Space" saying, "It does not compute." [I borrowed from my childhood
> memories of "Lost in Space" just for Lance. :-)]
>
> I would like to discuss this subject further, but cannot until you define
> the terms doubt, unbelief, knowledge, faith, and explain the relationship
> between doubt and unbelief to knowledge and faith. There are connections
> between these words that are very important for how I understand our
> relationship to the Word (the Logos, Christ, Scripture, etc.).
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
>
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