Re: [TruthTalk] We Sinners

[Judy Taylor]

If we say we have not sinned when we have sinned the truth is not in us.  Yes we are stuck with this body that is

prone to sin and our old man who we are to "reckon dead".  However, consistently walking after the Spirit and refusing to respond to the lust of the flesh is the normal Christian walk and for someone who is walking there to say they have sin would make them a liar.  jt

 

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:31:06 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Of course  --  but I am not talking about rebellion.  I am talking about every day run of the mill SIN.  The kind you and I possess  (If we say we are haing no sin, the truth is not in us, Judy).

 

Jd 

 

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We can crucify the son of God afresh if or when we continue to sin wilfully after receiving knowledge of the truth JD. Looks like you still have not taken the time to read Hebrews 10:26,27.  I don't know about "mainstream Christianity" whatever that is but I don't believe Christine has any problem discerning what sin is or when she misses it.  She has described it on TT - where were you JD??  jt

 

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:03:17 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I understand the context of her statement to be thus:  Christ died for past sins way back when;  and after she accepted Him in whatever way and received benefit from that sacrifice, God somehow empowered her to live a life, thereafter, without sin.  The sacrifice no longer applies because of the double jeopardy rule she apparently has in regard to the Sacrifice............  "we cannot crucify the Son of God afresh." 

 

I do not know anyone who believe this.  "Numbers" of believers makes no difference as to "truth,"  I know.   But this point of view IS not mainstream Christianity.  

 

One of her (theological) problems is her concept of sin.   A second issue is her thinking about the Sacrifice  and her version of "limited atonement,"   where Christine, and perhaps you, believe that Christ's Sacrifice was for past sins, only   (and how is that different from the sacrifice of bulls and goats?), while others believe that the Sacrifice was for ALL SIN over the course of ALL TIME.   JD

 

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

Christine writes:

Absolutely. Christ died once. We cannot crucify Him again for our sins, so that means a single, thorough
washing. If we were not clean and pure and holy children, He would have to sacrifice Himself again.
You see, I must beleive this. I still don't fully understand exactly how this works, but I must accept
it. The fact is, we cannot crucify the Son of God afresh. 

JD responds:
this is probably one of the most incredible statements from a Christian that I have seen in 
print.  Help me out, here.  You cannot posilby argue that you have committed no sin since 
accepting Jesus into your life.  Why is that not in conflict with what you say above?  
 
Goodness 
- where have you been and what kind of Christians have you been around that believing
scripture should be so "incredible"?  Apparently Christine believes Hebrews 10:26,27 and Romans 8:1,2 
which is not all that incredible because I believe them too.  jt