Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:45:48 -0700

What the Brother from the North has to say, is a very important point.  
Our theologies (yours, mine, Mr. G          and so on) are a combination of a number issues and scriptures. It is what Lance says that explains just why little change will take place here on TT.
Our theologies are rather involved belief SYSTEMS.  
 
but enough. 
 
The Heb 10 passage presents the belief that in Christ's offering we have been perfected.  I see this as saying exactly what I am saying. I am perfected  --  even before growth  --  by the offering.  Someone else did it for me  --  at the cross.      And if it did occur before growth, at the cross, it is an occurrence IN THE MIND OF GOD. 
 
 
 
 
 
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From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:01:57 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

It (Hb 10) doesn't have to. Few singular texts, if any, are meant to explicate the entirety of Scripture vis a vis a particular topic.
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Sent: June 10, 2005 16:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

JD wrote:
We are righteous IN HIS MIND.
 
Whoa, so, God is deceiving himself!
 
JD, how does that interpretation tie into Heb. 10:14? "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
 
 
Blessings

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-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
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Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:01:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

The notion that we pick of the Bible, read it and believe it apart from the process of evaluation and acceptance is simple not possible.  
 
jt: Why not? This is what was expected of Israel under the Old Covenant.  They were expected to hear and to obey - Not study it out and decide which parts they would accept.
 
Is your only purpose in Bible study to search for  command statements   I do not see the book as  a book of law  -- commands.   It is no longer a legal document. 
 
You can cast the project in whatever light you desire;  YOU play a role in what you believe the message says.   I have said it before and I say it again:  it is never "what the Bible says"  --  rather, it is always "what I believe the Bible says." 
 
jt: For you and Lance and those who think like you.  For me it is "what the scripture says" and I work on renewing my mind accordingly. 
 
Actually, this is not true.   You share what "you believe the bible says" exactly as I do.   It like breathing or sweating  --  you have no choice.  You simply do not accept ANYTHING into your intellectual/spiritual life apart from the process of evaluation and acceptance. 
 
And that is precisely why we need the gracious invention of God  ..................   He makes us correct IN HIS MIND while we DO the best that we can.  None on this forum has another approach regardless of the rhetoric. JD
 
jt: What do you mean "He makes us correct in his mind?"  Kind of like if I don't acknowledge it, it's not there?
I don't think so JD.  God has perfect eyesight and He is not doubleminded, not in the least.  jt
 
Amazing  --  anyway, "He makes us correct IN HIS MIND"  has nothing to do with
" ...if I don't acknowledge it, it's not true."   The Bible tells us that "faith is reckoned as righteousness."   That is an intellectual decision God makes on our behalf.    He sees faith and HE DECIDES to view it as if it were righteousness.  We are righteous IN HIS MIND. 

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