Re: [TruthTalk] To the Mormons: public/participating & private/watching on TT

[Lance Muir]

DaveH says:"Lance....I think you've done a reasonable job of assessing my position." I'm going to restate that which I deem central and, ask for as direct a response if you feel comfortable giving one publicly. Should you wish to contact me privately, I'd honour that privacy. IFF Joseph Smith was, in reality, a false prophet then, would your whole belief structure collapse? Drawing from James 1, perhaps not solely but at least centrally, does your subjective encounter override even the possibility of Joseph Smith being a false prophet? If this is too convoluted (it even sounds so to me) then, restate it in your own words and provide me with an answer.   thanks, Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 17, 2005 00:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] To the Mormons: public/participating & private/watching on TT DAVEH:  I'm not quite sure who you were addressing Lance, but it seems like you are speaking to the Mormon boys.   I think you've done a reasonable job of assessing my position.  It is pretty obvious that K & P have no interest in carrying on a meaningful religious discussion with me, so I feel no need to engage them in the battle they seem to disparately need.     I suppose there is a zoo-like atmosphere here.   And as an outsider, it is certainly interesting to view the home life of real Christians, so to speak.  One thing I've realized is that if I were ever to leave Mormonism, TT Christianity is the last place I'd seek refuge.  In a perverse way, it's a fun place to visit, but not a place I'd want to make camp.     As for the way forward from here, Lance.....I'm quite content gleaning the occasional gem that pops up now and then.  I can't look to any religious reasonable discussions from some TTers, but there are certainly others such as yourself who are willing to answer questions now and then.  That will satisfy my main needs. Lance Muir wrote: I recently critiqued both Kevin and Perry for that which I deemed "conduct unbecoming..". I stand by what I said. Further to this, those of you who have read both (K/P) over time can discern their distinctive styles. I trust y'all possess the maturity read 'through' to their meaning.   Gentlemen, I should like to ask you to say just where the conversation might go from here as to the Mormon/Evangelical dialogue. You, the assembled participants and onlookers, know that both Kevin and Perry believe your eternal destiny to be at risk should you continue to believe as you do. Not unlike the Catholic/Evangelical dialogue you see yourselves as the 'possessors' of THE fuller revelation and thus seek to evangelize us.   We, having asked the Spirit of God, conclude that Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Solipsism believes 'I am the only mind that exists'. A variation on this would lead one to conclude that: IFF Joseph Smith WAS a false prophet then, the whole system (The Mormon belief system) collapses. Do you agree?   Now, if each of you has come to the following conclusion:I've followed the James 1 invocation and, God has told me that Joseph Smith IS God's Prophet and, my experience confirms it THEN, no matter what Kevin, Perry or a host of others might say I cannot, I shall not, I must not deny THE TRUTH; have we not truly come to an impasse?   Do you remain to view the animals in the zoo? (us) Is there, indeed, IYO, a way forward? I'd like to engage you so tell me and the others just how we might do so, please. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.