DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty bold statement, Kevin.
Is another example of a lie you are promulgating?
It is just the plain truth and very easy to prove, who is
twisting here?
Who is lying here?
Joseph Smith also declared, "I believe the Bible as it read when it
came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless
transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors"
(Translation of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
Apostle Mark E. Peterson said, "Many insertions were made, some of them
'slanted' for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate falsifications and
fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated Correctly, p. 4).
Apostle Orson Pratt stated: "If it be admitted that the apostles and
evangelists did write the books of the New Testament, that does not prove of
itself that they were divinely inspired at the time they wrote.... Add all
this imperfection to the uncertainty of the translation, and who, IN
HIS RIGHT MIND could for one moment suppose the Bible in its present form to
be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the
Bible has escaped pollution, so as to convey the same sense now
that it did in the original?" (Divine Authority of the Book of Mormon, pp.
45, 47)
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt further proclaimed, "The Bible has been
robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others
rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and
re-copied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse
has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that scarcely any two of
them read alike" (The Seer, p. 213)
BOM, II Nephi 29:6-10 (Pg.110), "Thou fool, that shall say: A
Bible, we have got a Bible and we need no more BibleĀ
Wherefore
because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my
words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be
written."
Joseph Smith stated: "it was apparent that many important points
touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or
lost before it was compiled" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, p.10); "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of
the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or
designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors" (Teachings of the
Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 327).
When: "the book [Bible] proceeded forth
from the mouth of a Jew...it contained the fullness of the gospel of the
Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record" (1 Nephi 13:24), but
afterwards "thou seest the formation of that great and abominable
church...after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and
abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away
from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. And after these
plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all
the nations of the Gentiles" (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13:26,28). See also
Doctrines of Salvation, vol.3, p.190-191.
"many of the Gentiles shall
say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more
Bible...Wherefore because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it
contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more
to be written" (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 29:3,10).
When his "revelation"
about Adam being God was disputed, Brigham Young stated: "You believe Adam
was made of the dust of this earth. This I do not believe...I have publicly declared that I do not
believe that portion of the Bible as the Christian world do.
I never did, and I never want to. What is the reason I do
not? Because I have come to understanding, and banished from my mind
all the baby stories my mother taught me when I was a child" (
Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.6).
Orson Pratt's lack of confidence in the Bible is obvious:
"...and who, in his right mind, could for one moment,
suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? No one can tell
whether even one verse of either the Old or New Testament conveys the ideas
of the original author" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 28).
Apostle Bruce McConkie: "Ignorant translators, careless
transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors,
many plain and precious things were deleted, in consequence of which error
and falsehood poured into the churches. One of the great heresies of modern
Christendom is the unfounded assumption that the Bible contains all of the
inspired teachings now extant among men" (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 82,83).
McConkie continues: The Bible of the Old World has come to us
from the manuscripts of antiquity - manuscripts which passed through the
hands of uninspired men who changed many parts to suit their own doctrinal
ideas. Deletions were common, and, as it now stands, many plain and precious
portions and many covenants of the Lord have been lost. As a consequence,
those who rely upon it [the Bible] alone stumble and are confused... (The
Ensign, December 1985, p 55).
Mormon Apostle Mark E. Petersen accused manuscript copyists of
deliberately tampering with the Bible: "Many insertions were made, some of
them slanted for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate falsifications
and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated Correctly, p.4).
Comparisons made by Mormon Leaders between the Bible
and Book of
Mormon
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President
Ezra Taft Benson stated: "Unlike the Bible, which passed through generations
of copyists, translators, and corrupt religionists who tampered with the
text, the Book of Mormon came from writer to reader in just one inspired
step of translation" ("The Keystone of Our Religion", The Ensign, January
1992, page 5).
Joseph Smith claimed: "I told the brethren that the Book of
Mormon was more correct than any book on earth, and the keystone of our
religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by
any other book" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.194).
An official and widely read LDS publication reads: "Men can get
nearer to the Lord, can have more of the spirit of conversion and conformity
in their hearts...can gain a better understanding of the doctrines of
salvation through the Book of Mormon than they can through the Bible...there
will be more people saved in the kingdom of God - ten thousand times over -
because of the Book of Mormon than there will be because of the Bible" (The
Ensign, November 1984, p. 7).
A letter from the First Presidency (Presidents Benson,
Hinckley, and Monson) to all members of the Church states: "The most
reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by
comparing different texts, but by comparison with the Book of Mormon and
modern-day revelations". (Church News, June 20, 1992, page 3, letter dated
May 22, 1992).
LDS
have no faith in God's word.
DAVEH: Wow, that's a pretty
bold statement, Kevin. Is another example of a lie you are
promulgating?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
LDS have no faith in God's word.
The LDS god is a pipsqueak who can not preserve his word
lost it in a hill for thousands of years. Lost the faith too, for almost
200years there was NO faith on earth, with a pipsqueak like that,
nothing is shocking.
Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>From:
Dave Hansen
>
>Charles Perry Locke
wrote:
>
>>Dave. Look at me. He has already made that
judgement, not me.
>
>DAVEH: From the tone of you posts,
it didn't seem that way.
>
>>He wrote it in the Bible
so that I can know the real Jesus and God, and
>>not go
chasing after false ones.
>
>DAVEH: As I see it, you've
cut short your ability to see beyond the Bible,
>Perry. You
apparently see the The Bible as being enough, yet I think
>presents unasked questions that many Protestants (and TTers)
seem to want
>to avoid pondering. I just don't feel comfortable
with such a limited
>perspective.
The Bible IS enough,
Dave. The Bible contains prophecy that sees through
to the end,
way beyond when it was written. So, why would anything mor e be
ne
eded? It has served its intended purpose for thousands of years
without
the musings of JS, and will continue to server that
purpose until the end of
all things. It is the mormons that have
itching ears and seek the doctrines
of man (specifically JS), to
turn a phrase. Enjoy it, Dave. That's as good
as it
gets.
Perry
