I agree, as well. My wife's grandfather and others were jailed way back when for having more than one wife. I believe they were caught in the forced transition from that practice -- the government saying no and the M Church saying yes but, ok, we will change. Whether that change came because of "revelation," I do not know but I do know we have pictures of grandpa in stripes !!
JD
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From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:53:08 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy
This is my understanding also. It (this description) might require a bit of tweeking but, it is as you say. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <cpl2602@hotmail.com> To: <[email protected]> Sent: June 19, 2005 21:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy > Terry, it is a lot more convoluted that you are imagining. Here are perhaps > a couple of points that have not been revealed to you. I am not positive > about a couple of them, so Dave, feel free to correct me if I understand > this incorrectly. (If you don't, I am sure Blaine will :-) > > - they will be able to have multiple wives, maybe thousands, and a man can > be sealed to more than one woman on earth, and more women can seal > themselves to them after they have died. > > - they will procreate with these wives to populate their own planets, just > like their current god did with his thousands of spirit wives to produce the > offspring of the earth, meaning you, Terry, were first a spiritual > offspring, and brother of satan and jesus, of the mormon god and one of > thousands of Mrs. gods, and then were inserted into a baby at some point in > your human existence, > > - unmarried women on earth can seal themselves to deceased mormon men (or at > least to one). > > - mormon women must be called from the graves by the man to whom they are > sealed if they expect to get resurrected to the third heaven, provided they > have fulfilled all of the reauired works, called temple ordnances. > > Amusing anecdote: My mother-in-law, who is a mormon, became one long after > she had divorced my father-in-law (and both of these events were long before > I met either one of them). He knows nothing about mormonism, but found out > from a friend that if a man and woman are sealed on earth, they live > together eternally after death. Once he found this out he drove over to her > house yelling at her that she better not seal herself to him because he did > not want to spend the rest of eternity with her! > > Perry > > >From: Dave Hansen <dave@langlitz.com> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seeming inconsistancy > >Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:48:58 -0700 > > > > > > > >Terry Clifton wrote: > > > >>I understand your answer, Dave, but I have problems with it. What brought > >>about this comment by Jesus was the possibility of more than one wife here > >>on earth. If your first wife dies, you are free to take another. We know > >>that God's plan for man has always been one man for one woman for life. > > > >DAVEH: Upon what basis do you draw that conclusion, Terry? As you must > >know, many of the Lord's prophets had more than one wife. Do you think his > >servants, the prophets, did not understand God's plan? > > > >>If that is His desire here, then it would be His desire in Heaven, *if > >>*there were marriages in Heaven. That creates a problem for the man that > >>has married two or more women who preceeded him in death. The problem > >>being, who would be the one wife? > > > >DAVEH: Had they been sealed (bound) on earth by somebody who had the keys > >as did Peter (Mt 16:19), all would have been sealed (bound) in heaven. > > > >> Because of this, Jesus has proclaimed that there will be no marriage in > >>Heaven, > > > >DAVEH: Read vs 30 again......... > > > >*For in the resurrection, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, > >but are as the angels of God in heaven.* > > > >.......I would understand that to mean marriage will not take place in > >heaven. It does not say that marriage would not exist in heaven. I think > >you are reading something into Scripture that it does not say, Terry. > > > >>except the marriage of the Church to the Lamb, the King, Jesus Himself. > >>It solves the problem of multiple marriages and it solves the problem of > >>what to do with a believer whose spouse has gone to Hell while the > >>believer entered Heaven. No husband? No problem. We are married to the > >>Lord. > > > >DAVEH: Seems to me that literally taking it the way you are, it would > >create another major problem. Do you want to be married to a male, Terry? > >Why do many Christians fight tooth and nail against same sex marriage in > >this life, only to believe they are going to be married to a same sex > >partner after this life? Seems pretty screwy to me, unless one views it > >from my perspective. > > > >>I think you misunderstand what the Bible teaches concerning this. Your > >>view simply presents too many obstacles to be workable. > >> > >DAVEH: It works for me, Terry. If God had no problem with polygamous > >marriages in the OT, I don't argue that marriage is only for one man/woman. > > If the Lord tells us we can seal up things here on earth that will last > >past the barrier we call death, I feel no reason to doubt that can apply to > >marriage and hesitate to deny the power of God grant us that power. > > > > As a Mormon, I believe families can be forever. It is a main doctrine > >of our Church. When Protestants (and some TTers) tell me that sexual > >identity does not exist in heaven, and that loving family relationships end > >upon death, I've got to wonder why God brought us to earth, gave us the the > >challenge of having a loving and secure family only to rip it all apart > >before we enter heaven. Doesn't make sense to me. > > > >>Thanks for your thoughts though. > > > >DAVEH: You are welcome, Terry. > > > >>Terry > >> > >> > >> > >>Dave Hansen wrote: > >> > >>>DAVEH: And good afternoon to you, Brother Terry! :-) > >>> > >>> Let me quote vs 30...... > >>> > >>>*For in the resurrection, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, > >>>but are as the angels of God in heaven.* > >>> > >>>........Note that he is talking about during/after the resurrection > >>>period, folks will will not have the opportunity to get married. It does > >>>not address those who have been married and sealed in mortality for > >>>eternity. That may not make much sense, so let me elaborate a bit.... > >>> > >>> Terry....when you were married, did the minister use language > >>>similar to the familiar "to death do you part" that is commonly used in > >>>many Christian marriages? If so, does that seem to you to be a divorce > >>>clause of sorts? IOW, upon your spouse's demise, do you not become > >>>unmarried, and are thereby eligible to marry again if you so choose? > >>>Assuming you've been nodding your head in agreement with me so far, then > >>>your earthly marriage was for time only, and not applicable to life after > >>>death....agreed? > >>> > >>> From my LDS perspective, marriages can be of two types....*time only > >>>while in mortality*, as I discussed above and secondly for *time and > >>>eternity,* meaning those who enter into such a covenant are sealed > >>>together beyond death. Their matrimonial relationship does not end upon > >>>the death of either spouse, but continues to be recognized beyond the > >>>veil of death. > >>> > >>> We believe that the Lord gave power to some of his servants (like > >>>Peter) to form eternal unions on earth........ > >>> > >>>*And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and > >>>whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and > >>>whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. * Mt > >>>16:19 > >>> > >>>......that will be recognized in heaven and will extend beyond the > >>>barrier we call death. As Jesus was explaining in the passages you > >>>mentioned, such sealings won't be in effect in heaven if they don't first > >>>happen on earth. > >>> > >>> Does that answer your question, Terry? > >>> > >>> Note to Perry: Does my above explanation draw another criticism > >>>for preaching Mormonism? > >>> > >>>Terry Clifton wrote: > >>> > >>>>Good morning, mister Hansen. I have a serious request. Can you explain > >>>>to me how Mormons will have wives in Heaven when Jesus plainly teaches > >>>>in Matt 22:29-33 that there will be no marriages in Heaven, no husbands > >>>>and wives? > >>>>Thank you. > >>>>Terry > >>>> > > > >-- > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Dave Hansen > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.langlitz.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >If you wish to receive > >things I find interesting, > >I maintain six email lists... > >JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > >STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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