Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:02:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)

 

 

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:17:21 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JD: You believe in an angry God.   I believe in an angry Father.  Big difference.   But more to the point, Romans 8:1 presents to us a  deliverance from "condemnation."

 

jt: God is not anyone's Father until they have been born of the Spirit or born again and are found in Christ the Son; Romans 8:1 only promises deliverance to those who "walk after the Spirit" and do not fulfill the lust of the flesh (KJV)

 

JD: EVERY  GOOD AND PERFECT GIFT is from the Father ....  James 1:17. 
Be ye perfect even as your Heavenly Father ...   ( Matt 7:1)   God is the Father of us all.  

 

jt: Do you include yourself with God's covenant ppl Israel? (Matt 7:1) is spoken to them and God called Israel His Son.

 

JD: No one in His audience had been "born again." 

 

jt: So? Jesus spoke this before the covenant was in His blood. During His earthly ministry Israel was God's Son.  James is written to the Church or called out ones. Born again believers.  You said:  God is not anyone's Father until they have been born of the Spirit or born again and are found in Christ the Son.   Apparently we both agree that htis should have been worded differently. 

 

JD: I believe that EVERy GOOD THING is from God  -  apparently you disagree. 

 

jt: What would cause you to surmise that JD, I believe James 1:17

 

 

JD: Do you believe in the indwelling Spirit and the continuing work He does in our lives?  I do. 

 

jt: Of course I believe we have been sent the Spirit of Promise who leads us into all truth among other things I am surprised you would ask such a question.   You should be able to see why I believe that what begun in the garden is continued in each of us to this day.  

 

JD: I do not believe in original sin.  That God made all of us (through procreation or whatever) in His image is my point.   See Gen 9:6.

 

jt: Your point is wrong then; God made the first Adam in his image but Adam fell and took on a different image. This is the image the men who were destroyed in the flood directly before Noah's incident with the vineyard, drunkenness and incest took place.  Now JD are you going to tell me that this is the image of God acting out here? 

 

Gen 9:6 makes it clear that all of mankind is made "in the image of God."   You make a difference between how this phrase is used in 9:6 and 1:27.   In fact, both passages are talking about the same image and make the same statement   -  mankind, male and female, are created in the image of God. 

 

jt: Yes JD but where is your head? - God is Spirit.  If mankind was still "in the image of God" - why did God repent for having made him in Genesis 6:3 and decide to wipe him out except for one family in Genesis 6:7.    Whee my head is is not important.   I allow 9:6 and 1:27 to influence my thinking on the "image of Gid."   You do not.   My view allows those verses to say exactly what they seem to say.   Yours  does not.    We have an impasse. 

 

JD: You can pitch 9:6 in whatever theology you prefer  --  the fact as I see is this:   the shedding of human blood is wrong and the notion that we have been created in God's image plays a role in that argument.   That is the thrust of 9:6, IMO). 

 

JD: When you said " a church full of them would not be a good thing,"  what did you mean to say? 

 

jt: I meant to say exactly that because it would mean that this church is proud and not dealing with sin in it's midst.   

 

JD: Your statement, as worded, is telling that the church should not have any of these "damned sinners" in it (a true church) does not have any.   Is that correct? 

 

jt: No that would not be correct JD; there are bound to be a few unbelievers and some fallen believers in any

group - however the Church is for saints.    Sad.  In the very church you attend, if it is any size at all,  it has perhaps 70% of those in attendance who would not dream of confessing their sins to others in that church.   We have created a monster, here.   They come to church because they are seeking answers, because they have chosen Christ but they are carnal and weak.   As soon as they "confess," they are put on a clock.   More than likely, sooner rather than later,  someone in that church will decided that it is up to them to purge this disciple out of the Assembly.   Somewhere along the line,  those "in charge" will decide that they would rather this "sinner"  be somewhere across the street rather than in the same room with those who have no time limits and nothing but love and concern for their circumstance.    to disagree is to miss the point of Christ dying for those who were y et sinners.