To be guilty of one violation is to be guilty of violating the whole of the Law. Based upon my own efforts, I would be 0% saved. You too. With Christ and His work ON MY BEHALF AND IN MY PLACE, I am 100% save -- and you too. Hpw am I doing on a practical level, God saving me from myself -- pertty good, I think.
JD
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
I am saying we were commanded to GO and sinful men will do whatever to be contrary to God.
So where are you in the "process" of salvation?
20% saved yesterday and 21.5% today?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
those being savedHow many others out there are somewhere in the process of being saved? A bunch.The church will die in this day and time if it cannot learn to draw the carnal and the worldly into its influence.We were commanded to bring Jesus to the world not the world to Jesus I see no difference whatsoever. Are you saying it is wrong to bring the world to the feet of Jesus? Jesus i s accused of fellowshipping with sinners and He defends this practice - he does not explain it away (Matt 9:11ff)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Not much different than what we find as typical in the First Church. The condemnation that we are "saved" from is that which we bring into our own lives. I believe that the creation process begun in the Garden was to be completed in each of us as the Spirit indwells, placing us into God's community and into the community of those being saved - all as a result of the foundational work He committed to on our behalf with His birth, life , death nd resurrection (commonly called "incarnation")We were all created in of the image of God - all of us. None of us have arrived. But our desired destiny (image of God) has been clearly demonstrated in the biblical message and in the life of Christ.As long as the church does not compromise the message of hope and righteousness, the presence of all them damned sinners is a good thing, right? We are encouraged with these words, "ye who are spiritual, help them who are weak." That works best when they (the weak ones) are in the same room, same fellowship, hearing the same message of grace and righteousness. The church will die in this day and time if it cannot learn to draw the carnal and the worldly into its influence. And the church will rot on the vine if it cannot influence without the compromise of the Message.JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:11:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] liberal churches are dying (dead!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think seeker sensative is the term you are looking for. In our neighborhood, racism, divorce and remarriage on unbiblical grounds, adultry, crooked business deals and membership in secret organizations are the norm for church members. The only ones ever put out of the church are preachers who preach the truth. That is not tolerated. This is the Bible belt today.Two reasons I can think of: a praise-worship service that is contemporary and entertaining.and (2) a social aspect that is inclusive and tolerant. Conservative churches that major in the preaching of "truth" and doctrinal correctness and hang with the formal and traditional praise service have a different time in today's market ("market" -- you know what I am talking about, right Terry?).During the civil war era, the "liberal churches" were those who opposed slavery.JD=============================================================================
Terry
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