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That is reality in light of the rest of God's Word
DaveH because it is only the remnant who make it, the ones who find the strait
gate and the narrow way even though God so loved the world - and yes I do
believe all mortals will be resurrected but for different purposes -
What do you mean born into mortality due to the grace of Jesus?
DAVEH: Does the Bible say he was a potential Savior of the world,
or is that just your interpretation, Judy? Do you believe all
mortals will be resurrected, Judy? Prior to Jesus, nobody was able to
rise from the chasm we call mortal death. The Bible tells us that
because of Jesus, all men will be able to defeat that state by being
resurrected. The level of goodness/badness to which they will be
resurrected is really not pertinent to the fact that IF one is born into
mortality, due to the grace of Jesus he will eventually overcome physical
death through a resurrective process that is not available to Satan and his
minions that fought against the Lord in the pre-earthly heavenly
battle.
As for spiritual salvation (I'm not sure
that's the best way to describe it), I agree with you....Jesus' grace only
applies to those who take upon themselves his name and are obedient to his
will.
Judy Taylor wrote:
He died potentially for the whole world DaveH; but
he becomes savior only to those who both receive and
obey Him
That is, the wise ones who build their houses upon
the rock. (see Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9). jt
DAVEH: You are suggesting Jesus was a different person to
those who did not accept his message, compared to those who did accept the
gospel? Hmmmm....that seems a bit odd to me, Judy. Was
Jesus Savior to all the world? Did he only come for the
believers? IMHO, Jesus died for all people. Whether he is
accepted by them or not....he is the same Lord, yesterday, today and
forever.
Judy Taylor wrote:
No. They weren't all focused on the same
Jesus DaveH. Some heard Him and others did not. It wasn't his
physical presence that was so important, it was His teaching.
The selection process goes like this. The ones who heard His Word
were of God and the others were of their
father the devil. (see John 8:47).
DAVEH: Easy, Kevin. Jesus walked the Holy Land
and was seen much differently by many people. Some recognized
him as their Saviour and King, while others viewed him as a major
threat. Even though they each had their differences of opinion
as to where he came from, what he was doing during his ministry, and
what his relationship to deity.....wouldn't you agree they were all
focused on the same Jesus. When Jesus hung on the cross, there
was not a question of which Jesus hung on the cross. The only
question was who's view more accurately represented the real
Jesus.
Do you suppose that after the
tomb was sealed that all of Jesus' followers continued to believe he
was the Messiah, that he was God who could not be defeated by his
enemies? Or....do you think there may have been more than a few who
might have been thinking their view of Jesus might have been
wrong? If you think there was no doubt.....go back and read the
accounts of those who first saw Jesus after he arose.
The point being.....no matter what the
perspective of those who saw Jesus hanging on that cross.....he was
still the same person.....Jesus.
And
FTR, I will repeat this again so there is no mistake on your part or
any other TTer. The Jesus I believe in is the same Jesus
who hung on the cross by his enemies, and 3 days later arose in a
resurrected state of exaltation. That is my Jesus, and I
believe he is your Jesus. That we may have different
perspective of some of the details about his attributes does not mean
that we are not talking about the same Jesus that hung on the cross as
explained in the
Bible.
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