That we may have different perspective of some of the details about his attributes does not mean that we are not talking about the same Jesus that hung on the cross as explained in the Bible.
Diiferent perspective. Different details. Different attributes. What in your mind makes you think we are talking about the same person? When you get different descriptions of people, in your mind does that mean they are the same?
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Judy Taylor wrote:DAVEH: Do you recognize the importance of ALL being resurrected? Ever wonder why having a physical body is so important? IOW...Why does God need a physical body, and why did he make it possible for us to have one?That is reality in light of the rest of God's Word DaveH because it is only the remnant who make it, the ones who find the strait gate and the narrow way even though God so loved the world - and yes I do believe all mortals will be resurrected but for different purposes
DAVEH: I did not say that, Judy. You inadvertently misquoted me. Read it again and put a comma after mortality. If it is not clear what I meant, ask again and I'll explain it. (Isn't it interesting how something as simple as a comma can change the whole meaning of a statement. Now consider the lack of punctuation in the early manuscripts that were used in translating the Bible.)- What do you mean born into mortality due to the grace of Jesus?
On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:02:09 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DAVEH: Does the Bible say he was a potential Savior of the world, or is that just your interpretation, Judy? Do you believe all mortals will be resurrected, Judy? Prior to Jesus, nobody was able to rise from the chasm we call mortal death. The Bible tells us that because of Jesus, all men will be able to defeat that state by being resurrected. The level of goodness/badness to which they will be resurrected is really not pertinent to the fact that IF one is born into mortality, due to the grace of Jesus he will eventually overcome physical death through a resurrective process that is not available to Satan and his minions that fought against the Lord in the pre-earthly heavenly battle.
As for spiritual salvation (I'm not sure that's the best way to describe it), I agree with you....Jesus' grace only applies to those who take upon themselves his name and are obedient to his will.
Judy Taylor wrote:He died potentially for the whole world DaveH; but he becomes savior only to those who both receive and obey HimThat is, the wise ones who build their houses upon the rock. (see Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9). jtOn Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:06:13 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DAVEH: You are suggesting Jesus was a different person to those who did not accept his message, compared to those who did accept the gospel? Hmmmm....that seems a bit odd to me, Judy. Was Jesus Savior to all the world? Did he only come for the believers? IMHO, Jesus died for all people. Whether he is accepted by them or not....he is the same Lord, yesterday, today and forever.
Judy Taylor wrote:No. They weren't all focused on the same Jesus DaveH. Some heard Him and others did not. It wasn't his physical presence that was so important, it was His teaching. The selection process goes like this. The ones who heard His Word were of God and the others were of their father the devil. (see John 8:47).On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:48:29 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:DAVEH: Easy, Kevin. Jesus walked the Holy Land and was seen much differently by many people. Some recognized him as their Saviour and King, while others viewed him as a major threat. Even though they each had their differences of opinion as to where he came from, what he was doing during his ministry, and what his relationship to deity.....wouldn't you agree they were all focused on the same Jesus. When Jesus hung on the cross, there was not a question of which Jesus hung on the cross. The only question was who's view more accurately represented the real Jesus.
Do you suppose that after the tomb was sealed that all of Jesus' followers continued to believe he was the Messiah, that he was God who could not be defeated by his enemies? Or....do you think there may have been more than a few who might have been thinking their view of Jesus might have been wrong? If you think there was no doubt.....go back and read the accounts of those who first saw Jesus after he arose.
The point being.....no matter what the perspective of those who saw Jesus hanging on that cross.....he was still the same person.....Jesus.
And FTR, I will repeat this again so there is no mistake on your part or any other TTer. The Jesus I believe in is the same Jesus who hung on the cross by his enemies, and 3 days later arose in a resurrected state of exaltation. That is my Jesus, and I believe he is your Jesus. That we may have different perspective of some of the details about his attributes does not mean that we are not talking about the same Jesus that hung on the cross as explained in the Bible.
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