Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:54:15 -0700

DaveH  --  I just have to chime in here.   My wife converted from mormonism and her Mom and the whole family,for years,  have  been  in that faith.   They do not have a clue as to what that church believes, much less the nature of God...........not a one of them.   I suspect your church is no different from protestant churches in this regard.  
 
JD
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:56:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief

DAVEH:   Don't you find it just a little bit curious that in a parallel post that arrived with yours........

Do you think we even
agree as to what the Word of God consists of Debbie?  jt


........Do you really think the problem is simply rooted in the vast differences between my beliefs and Perry's?  I believe most knowledgeable Mormons have a pretty good perception of the nature of God.  I don't think I can say the same about most TTers.

Lance Muir wrote: 
Har de har har (Ralph Kramden for you youngsters). You two illustrate just
why there are so many factions on TT.

'god' you don't, even by now, have an understanding of one another's meaning
of THAT word?

Yikes!!!!!!!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <cpl2602@hotmail.com>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: June 25, 2005 15:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief


  
Lancey,

The context has changed from our previous discussions, lance. previously
Dave has alwayss discussed from the viewpoint of his mormon views...but
    
now
  
we are discussing strictly in the context of the Bible. Combine that with
the fact that often the words Christians traditionally use mean different
things when mormons use them, and we have a problem.

For example the word 'god'. Dave asked me if I could find any verses in
    
the
  
Bible that indicate that God does not have a body of flesh and bones. To
    
me
  
that means 'the Father' automatically. I used "the Trinity" when talking
about all three together. I gave him several referencesl. Then he comes
    
back
  
with  the fact that jesus jad a body after resurrection and he thought
Christians believed that.

WAIT A MINUTE! When Dave says 'god' he can be talking about the father, or
jesus, or the holy spirit, since all three are separate gods to him! I am
just tying to find out in which context he is using the term 'god' so we
    
can
  
continue. This kind of word play goes on continually when mormons
    
re-define
  
the words, and when discussing rekigion with mormons, one must CONTINUALLY
be on the alert for redefined words.

Good night, Lancey.

    
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:25:15 -0400

Say goodnight, Gracie!! Is this a comedy routine? Given that you two have
been discussing the content of Mormon theology since Joseph Smith was
alive,
it amazes me that you know so little concerning one another's actual
beliefs.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <cpl2602@hotmail.com>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: June 25, 2005 14:11
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Belief


      
   We are mixing apples and oranges, Dave.

   Jesus does have a resurrected body, but the God Father is Spirit...
        
that
      
is, He ain't got no body.

   Didn't you tell me in a previous post that we woud discuss these
        
things
      
based on the Bible? And, didn't you ask if I thought God (the Father)
        
had
a
      
body of flesh and bones, and ask for Biblical evidence that he did
        
not?
  
I
      
posted several verses that indicate that He does not.

   Now for the difference in our viewpoints. You imagine that god (the
father) has a body since he was once a man, right? however, there is
        
no
  
biblical verses to support that position...in fact, there are verses,
        
as
  
I
      
pointed out, that indicate the complete opposite.

   When I say 'God' I usually mean "the Father", but sometimes mean
        
the
  
triune God. I will try to distinguish which I mean, if it is not
        
evident
  
from the context.

   Now, when you say 'God', are you referring to the Father, Jesus,
        
the
  
Holy
      
Spirit, any of the three, or all three?

Perry

        
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

DAVEH:  DavidM's beliefs are reflected in his understanding of the
          
word
  
of
      
God as revealed in the Bible.  My beliefs are based in LDS theology,
          
which
      
recognizes a much broader spectrum of the revealed word of God.
          
So....I
      
see his presumptions as being based on a narrower database than mine.

   As for God having a body of flesh and bone (since the
          
resurrection),
is
      
there any Christian who can reasonably think he does not have one
considering what Jesus said about his resurrected body of flesh and
          
bone?
      
Is not the basis of Christian belief that Jesus was and remains a
resurrected being, consisting of a body of flesh and bone?   And if
          
Jesus
      
is God, why would a Christian today not think God now has a body of
          
flesh
      
and bone, even though he was correctly identified as having a spirit
          
body
      
in the OT?

   This puzzles me, Perry.  I see that the Bible teaches the above,
          
and
      
logically I assume Christians would agree with what I explained
          
above.
  
Yet
      
I suspect there are very few Christians who would agree with what I
          
wrote
      
above.   Which way do you come down on this?

          
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