Dang !!! The man from the high plains does know how to cut to the chase !!!
But , don't you have some biblical example that might work just as well ---or did (will) some of us miss the point?
JD
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:04:12 -0600
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
The Moderator responds > . . .those arguments, too, should have to stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on Calvin.
You don't say! Hmmmmmm. If you were ever to enforce this one, it would render some of us speechless. Just think how it would affect the traffic here on TruthTalk if participants were required to actually research, contemplate, and address the substance of theological statements, instead of dismissing them out-of-hand simply because the theologian seduced and slept with another man's wife and then, to cover his crime, had him sent to the front lines to be murdered -- I think you should go for it.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
>
> In TT we are trying to prevent discussions from becoming emotional in
> nature because of demeaning and hurtful statements, so it applies directly
> to the persons with whom we are immeditaly engaging in debate.
>
> However, from a debating point of view if one chooses to bring in
> arguments made by another, say Calvin, those arguments, too, should have to
> stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on Calvin.
>
> Perry
>
> >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:29:28 -0600
> >
> >Hi Perry, I am impressed by your sincerity and humility. Thanks for the
> >great example to the rest of us.
> >
> >I have a question for you. You write that "Specifically, 'ad hominem
> >argumentum', [which is what is mentioned on the TT discussions guidelines
> >page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by attacking the
> >person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it is true or
> >false.' Does this apply only to the one with whom one is arguing, or does
> >it
> >apply as well to attacks against the person of persons whom one might
> >reference in constructing ones arguments. For example, a dismissal of John
> >Cal vin's views on election via an attack against him as a person, i.e., his
> >dealings with Servatis; or a dismissal of the content and substance of the
> >Nicene Creed because it was formulated by supposedly corrupt Roman
> >Catholics -- are these ad hominem arguments acceptable forms of
> >argumentation on TruthTalk?
> >
> >Bill
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:03 AM
> >Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >
> >
> > > TT members,
> > >
> > > I have been contacted by email privately and informed that my
> >referring
> > > to DaveH as a "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference. After
> >some
> > > discussion back and forth, and some research, I am convinced that it is
> >so
> > > and that I need to apologize to Dave.
> > >
> > > I previously thought that if one merely stated a belief about someone
> > > that was true, that it was not an ad hominem statement, but upon doing a
> > > little researh I discovered that it does not matter whether it is true
> >or
> > > not...an ad hominem reference is a comment "to the man", so saying
> >anything
> > > about anyone personally, whether true or not, positive or negative, is
> >an
> >ad
> > > hominem reference. If I were to say, "John, I really think you are a
> >smart
> > > guy", that is an ad hominem reference, to o, because it is directed at
> > > someone personally.
> > >
> > > However, on TT I think it is a little more specific in that TT
> >wishes
> >to
> > > avoid the NEGATIVE ad hominem reference, that is, one that the receiver
> >of
> > > the comment would find insulting. Dave indicated in a post that he
> >thought
> > > "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference.
> > >
> > > So, with this in mind, Dave, I apologize to you for making an
> >ad-hominem
> > > reference.
> > >
> > > The above is a very general interpretation of "ad hominem".
> >Specifically,
> > > "ad hominem argumentum", [which is what is mentioned on the TT
> >discussions
> > > guidelines page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by
> > > attacking the pers on rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it
> >is
> > > true or false.
> > >
> > > Even though I am acting as moderator, I, too, am prone to making
> > > inappropriate remarks at times, and I welcome private email from anyone
> >that
> > > would like to point out such comments. If we have only one watcher, who
> > > watches the watcher? While I moderate the group, the group moderates me.
> > >
> > > Perry the Moderator
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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