Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **

Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:27:01 -0700

Samson  -  well he was a judge.   Come on guys  --  what are arguing about  -  that there is  good reason to make fun of and humiliate others with whom you disagree  --   is that the point?  
 
JD 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **

The King repented. David was not a prophet. Do you have an example of a prophet that was in sexual sin?
Joe continued in his sexual sin for years and lied about it from 1838 till 1844 when he shot two men before he was killed.

Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Izzy wrote > Perry, how does that relate to JSmith and the mormons? I
believe the fact that he was an adulterer totally discredits his credentials
as a prophet of god.



How then were King David's credentials any better? Ought he be disqualified
by the same criterion?

Bill

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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **


> I believe the fact
> that he was an adulterer totally discredits his credentials as a prophet
of
> god. Izzy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry
Locke
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:03 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Tr uthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
>
> Bill,
>
> In TT we are trying to prevent discussions from becoming emotional in
> nature because of demeaning and hurtful statements, so it applies directly
> to the persons with whom we are immeditaly engaging in debate.
>
> However, from a debating point of view if one chooses to bring in
> arguments made by another, say Calvin, those arguments, too, should have
to
> stand on the facts of Calvin's argument, not on personal attacks on
Calvin.
>
> Perry
>
> >From: "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:29:28 -0600
> >
> >Hi Perry, I am impressed by your sincerity and humility. Thanks for the
> >great example to the rest of us.
> >
> >I have a question for you. You write t hat "Specifically, 'ad hominem
> >argumentum', [which is what is mentioned on the TT discussions guidelines
> >page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by attacking the
> >person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether it is true or
> >false.' Does this apply only to the one with whom one is arguing, or does
> >it
> >apply as well to attacks against the person of persons whom one might
> >reference in constructing ones arguments. For example, a dismissal of
John
> >Calvin's views on election via an attack against him as a person, i.e.,
his
> >dealings with Servatis; or a dismissal of the content and substance of
the
> >Nicene Creed because it was formulated by supposedly corrupt Roman
> >Catholics -- are these ad hominem arguments acceptable forms of
> >argumentation on TruthTalk?
> >
> >Bill
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Perry Locke"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 8:03 AM
> >Subject: [TruthTalk] ** Moderator commant **
> >
> >
> > > TT members,
> > >
> > > I have been contacted by email privately and informed that my
> >referring
> > > to DaveH as a "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference. After
> >some
> > > discussion back and forth, and some research, I am convinced that it
is
> >so
> > > and that I need to apologize to Dave.
> > >
> > > I previously thought that if one merely stated a belief about
someone
> > > that was true, that it was not an ad hominem statement, but upon doing
a
> > > little researh I discovered that it does not matter whether it is true
> >or
> > > not...an ad hominem reference is a comment "to the man", so saying
> >anything
> > > abo ut anyone personally, whether true or not, positive or negative, is
> >an
> >ad
> > > hominem reference. If I were to say, "John, I really think you are a
> >smart
> > > guy", that is an ad hominem reference, too, because it is directed at
> > > someone personally.
> > >
> > > However, on TT I think it is a little more specific in that TT
> >wishes
> >to
> > > avoid the NEGATIVE ad hominem reference, that is, one that the
receiver
> >of
> > > the comment would find insulting. Dave indicated in a post that he
> >thought
> > > "sly ol' mormon boy" was an ad hominem reference.
> > >
> > > So, with this in mind, Dave, I apologize to you for making an
> >ad-hominem
> > > reference.
> > >
> > > The above is a very general interpretation of "ad hominem".
> >Specifically,
> > > "ad hominem ar gumentum", [which is what is mentioned on the TT
> >discussions
> > > guidelines page] refers to trying to gain an edge in an argument by
> > > attacking the person rather than the topic, again, regardless whether
it
> >is
> > > true or false.
> > >
> > > Even though I am acting as moderator, I, too, am prone to making
> > > inappropriate remarks at times, and I welcome private email from
anyone
> >that
> > > would like to point out such comments. If we have only one watcher,
who
> > > watches the watcher? While I moderate the group, the group moderates
me.
> > >
> > > Perry the Moderator
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may
> >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
> >http://www.InnGlory.org
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