When you, David, speak words of teaching that are not the actual/literal words of Scripture then, you, David. speak the idealogy of men (more specifically 'a man' namely, David Miller). I suspect that you do this daily.
Having demonstrated a remarkable facility with languages, I have every confidence that your approximations are worthy. Close but, still no cigar, Cuban or otherwise.Theologically speaking, 'spots & wrinkles' abound in your written communication. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: June 28, 2005 11:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ > Debbie wrote: > > I am making the point that one does not necessarily do > > violence to a message by using words to talk about it > > which do not appear in the message. > > Good point, Debbie. I fully agree with this statement that you make here. > > I think the problem is when people begin to focus too much on the secondary > language meant to lend further understanding of an original message. We > have this problem here in this country concerning the First Amendment to our > Constitution. Thomas Jefferson at one point called the establishment > clause, "a wall of separation between church and state." The language is > fine when understood in a particular context, but in modern times, many > people focus upon this secondary language so much that they fail to grasp > the original meaning of our Constitution. Instead of fostering freedom of > religion, they use the secondary language to establish freedom from > religion, which is something the original language never meant to do. > > In the same way, I think the Trinity concept and related verbiage does > sometimes create problems. Shortly after the council of Nicea, the Trinity > became the unorthodox position of the church for almost half a century. > That is a pretty solid historical fact that illustrates how the Trinity > doctrine did not really solve much. As I remember it, the Athanasius creed > which stressed the "eternal sonship" idea was never accepted by any > ecumenical council. The "eternal son" phrase was added later to the Nicean > creed when the Trinity came back into favor as the orthodox position, late > in the fourth century. This was primarily due to the new position of power > held by Athanasius. So in striving over the validity of terminology, it is > perhaps prudent to remind one another that terms like "Trinity" or "Eternal > Son" are not Biblical. After all, if one declares someone else to be a > heretic for not embracing the terms, could not the proper response be that > such terms are not Biblical and so on what basis is the epithet "heretic" > being hurled? > > The point is, what is the foundation of the idea being held? Is the > foundation Scripture or the ideology of men? Recognizing a term as not > being Biblical does not in itself mean that the term is improper or wrong to > use. It simply means that perhaps other terms, Biblical terms, might better > convey the concepts under consideration. Such is not really much different > than urging a researcher to go to the primary sources for his arguments > rather than relying upon secondary sources. Surely you understand the value > of this. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
