Izzy, I regard your comment as an unnecessary and opportunistic attack on JD. He and Kevin are doing fine...don't stir the pot, please. They can do okay without your antagonistic comments.

Perry

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JD weren't you the one advising us to obey the Moderator's requests??? iz

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Have you ever considered just meekly explaining what you do in a very meek
and genteel way?

I am always a genteelman!

I thought we spent about a month on that already.
I have to explain that I have never spit on a bOm, or a k0ran, peed on one,
wear others undies?
The real problem is not a problem of misunderstanding, but one of JD'S
continual approach of mischaracterization of the facts and of ones position
on things, he then proceeds to attack the straw man he has assembled.
Against such, another telling of the facts seems just a waste of time.



David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kevin wrote about the language of John:
> "spit on their bible"
> "waving some other man's underwear over your head"
> "shouting insults to total strangers"
> (there you have it, JD sees Bible Verses as insults)
> "But if kevin wore the underwear rather than waving it"
> "throw an opened Koran on the ground, and pee on it"
>
> WOW The philosophical & mental power of such
> "Theological" arguments is just overwhelming!

LOL. Kevin, I think you are beginning to understand the value of not
allowing ad hominem arguments in this particular kind of forum. Just be
careful not to "return evil for evil" so-to-speak because it has a tendency
to perpetuate the boring posts that really say nothing at all.

Have you ever considered just meekly explaining what you do in a very meek
and genteel way?

For example: "Spit on their bible? Well, I have never done that, nor would
I ever think of doing that, but I have waved the Qu'ran over my head just
like the Mormon underwear. I've waved the book of Mormon over my head too,
but I have never spit on it. My purpose is to draw attention to my message,
and to expose error, to deliver people from the darkness that they are in,
to preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

Another example: "Shouting insults to total strangers? Well, I do realize
that many people find the Word of God insulting. My purpose is not to
insult, but to persuade people that they have deceived themselves into
living a life of sin, but the Son of God has appeared to man to deliver him
from the power of this darkness. They need to repent of their sin and
believe upon him. What sin do you say? Why, many sins. I hear that some
of you are engaged in all manner of sexual immorality. I'm talking not just
about adultery, but fornication and EVEN HO-MO-SEXUALITY! I hear that some
of you party on weekends and get drunk! The Bible warns us that all who
participate in these things will NOT inherit the kingdom of God. [Bible
References read here] And some people tell lies, like Bill Clinton did.
They even justify it. Why this man over here told me a little while ago
that everyone lies. He could not believe that I do not lie to my children.
Save yourselves from this wicked generation. Repent and believe upon Jesus
Christ. -- The point is, yes, I guess I do insult total strangers
sometimes, but some of those total strangers are no longer total strangers
with me after our exchange (and that's a good thing), and my purpose is not
to insult them but to bring them God's mind and will upon how they live
their lives."

1 Peter 3:14-16
(14) But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not
afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
(15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give
an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you
WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR:
(16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of
evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in

Christ.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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