Judy wrote: > Well Lance, DavidM suggested I pay attention to > this - but I don't find it relevant to what we have been > discussing.
Such suggests to me that perhaps you are not listening very well. Try a little harder to hear what is being said. Even if you only perceive a little of what is being said, you should be able to find the relevance. Judy wrote: > Torrance is addressing the natural and I am > addressing the spiritual. No, Torrance is addressing the spiritual. More specifically, Torrance is addressing how we communicate the spiritual. Judy wrote: > Mankind does not understand spiritual truth > by way of "images". Very true, but man does COMMUNICATE spiritual truth by way of images. So does God. When Torrance says "imageless images," it seems to me that he is talking about words (language). Judy wrote: > God knowing how prone we are to idolatry has > not left us an imagine of Himself. What God has left us is "imageless images" (words) to communicate with one another about him in a respectful way, so that people will turn inward to their hearts to know him rather to outward forms of worship. Judy wrote: > Noone knows what Jesus looked like in the flesh > and of course there is no image of the Holy Spirit > who is like the wind, we know where he has been > because we see the results. Tell me what is the > image of faith, love and/or justice? The "imageless images" of faith, love and/or justice are the words themselves (faith, love and justice) and perhaps whatever commentary one might use to explain these concepts to others. Judy wrote: > Dead religion along with the occult is what clings > to images, symbols, and icons This is true, Judy, but go back and read that piece by Torrance again with a little more effort put into trying to understand his point. He actually is trying to move people away from clinging to symbols (words) by helping them see that the symbols themelves are not important, but it is the spiritual reality to which the symbols are pointing that is important. Said another way: Torrance is saying: "Don't get hung up on words like 'perichoresis' because such is only an imageless image. Look beyond it to the thing it is trying to represent." I think if you could look beyond the "imageless images" that Torrance uses, to the actual reality of which he speaks, you would find yourself in agreement with his point. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
