Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible

[Judy Taylor]

And Dave lest they forget you should also be aware that God has extremely bad eyesight so that he does not see any imperfection in these ppl with the eschatalogical salvation All he can see is the "eternal son" - so this kind of christianity doesn't have to do anything but exist in their fallen state.  They will make it because of his faith, his righteousness, his obedience, and his resurrection.    The main problem with all this is that this is NOT the Jesus of the Bible.     On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY THE  REDEEMER IS PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He, the second Adam  lived out from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our 'imperfections' are  visible to ourselves and to those about us, though redeemed.   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Sent: July 05, 2005 14:24 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the Bible > > > > DAVEH:  It seems to me that your below non-religious examples are > > illogical, DavidM.   Let me give you an example.  If I were to ask > you, > > "Are you perfect before God?", you might answer from your > perspective, > > "Yes." > > > >     If on the other hand, I were to ask God, "Is DavidM is > perfect?", he > > might view it differently. > > > >     Do you see what I am getting at?  If you ask the guy who had > the car > > painted if it is perfect, while he may say "yes", the guy painting > the > > car may have another contrasting perspective. > > > >      God is not asking us if we are perfect, he is commanding us > to be > > such.  The question becomes what does perfection mean.  > Fortunately, he > > qualifies it so that we don't have to worry about what or how man > has > > defined perfection.  As stated in Matthew, whatever perfection > there is > > in God, that is how he commanded us to become. > > > > David Miller wrote: > > > > >  Christianity has been enamored by Calvin's teachings > > >and influence to portray every man as imperfect even after > redemption. > > > > > >Look at the word "perfect" in non-religious contexts.  Someone > eats a > really > > >good hamburger.  They exclaim, "That burger was perfect!  It > could not > have > > >been made any better."   Someone pays someone to paint their car > a > certain > > >color and has very exact requirements.  He picks the car up and > the > painter > > >asks, "so, how do you like it?"  The reply, "it is perfect!" > > > > > >On and on, we can come up with examples like this where we use > the word > > >perfect to mean that something is precisely according to our > hopes and > > >expectations, but when it comes to our morality and our walk with > God, > > >somehow the word "perfect" suddenly becomes taboo.  Why, nobody > can claim > > >that they truly walk without sinning against their neighbor!  > This has > more > > >to do with our culture walking in apostasy toward God and our > desire to > > >excuse that apostasy than any change in the language of > Scripture.  It > has > > >more to do with our departure from what the Word of God teaches > us about > our > > >completeness and perfection in Christ than with any change in the > meaning > of > > >the word "perfect." > > > > > >Peace be with you. > > >David Miller. > > > > > >---------- > > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that > you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email > to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >  Dave Hansen > >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >  http://www.langlitz.com > >  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >  If you wish to receive > >  things I find interesting, > >  I maintain six email lists... > >  JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > >  STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that > you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email > to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >