On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:02:37 -0400 "Lance Muir" <
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writes:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY
THE
REDEEMER IS
PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He,
the second Adam
lived out
from conception to ascension on our
behalf. Our 'imperfections' are
visible
to ourselves and to those
about us, though redeemed.
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> From: "Dave" <
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> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
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> > DAVEH: It seems to me that your
below non-religious examples are
> > illogical, DavidM.
Let me give you an example. If I were to ask
> you,
> >
"Are you perfect before God?", you might answer from your
>
perspective,
> > "Yes."
> >
>
> If on the other hand, I were to ask God, "Is
DavidM is
> perfect?", he
> > might view it
differently.
> >
> > Do you see what
I am getting at? If you ask the guy who had
> the car
>
> painted if it is perfect, while he may say "yes", the guy painting
> the
> > car may have another contrasting
perspective.
> >
> > God is
not asking us if we are perfect, he is commanding us
> to be
>
> such. The question becomes what does perfection mean.
> Fortunately, he
> > qualifies it so that we don't have to
worry about what or how man
> has
> > defined
perfection. As stated in Matthew, whatever perfection
> there
is
> > in God, that is how he commanded us to become.
>
>
> > David Miller wrote:
> >
> > >
Christianity has been enamored by Calvin's teachings
> > >and
influence to portray every man as imperfect even after
>
redemption.
> > >
> > >Look at the word "perfect" in
non-religious contexts. Someone
> eats a
> really
>
> >good hamburger. They exclaim, "That burger was perfect!
It
> could not
> have
> > >been made any
better." Someone pays someone to paint their car
>
a
> certain
> > >color and has very exact
requirements. He picks the car up and
> the
>
painter
> > >asks, "so, how do you like it?" The reply, "it
is perfect!"
> > >
> > >On and on, we can come up with
examples like this where we use
> the word
> > >perfect to
mean that something is precisely according to our
> hopes and
>
> >expectations, but when it comes to our morality and our walk with
> God,
> > >somehow the word "perfect" suddenly becomes
taboo. Why, nobody
> can claim
> > >that they truly
walk without sinning against their neighbor!
> This has
>
more
> > >to do with our culture walking in apostasy toward God
and our
> desire to
> > >excuse that apostasy than any
change in the language of
> Scripture. It
> has
>
> >more to do with our departure from what the Word of God teaches
> us about
> our
> > >completeness and perfection in
Christ than with any change in the
> meaning
> of
> >
>the word "perfect."
> > >
> > >Peace be with
you.
> > >David Miller.
> > >
> >
>----------
> > >"Let your speech be always with grace,
seasoned with salt, that
> you may
> know how you ought to answer
every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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