DAVEH: Are you addressing DM or DH, Lance? It seems to me that IF
God gave a commandment to be perfect like he is perfect, then you below
assumption is in error. Or...do you believe God gives commandments
that are unobtainable?
Lance Muir wrote:
EVERY MAN, DAVID, IS IMPERFECT EVEN AFTER REDEMPTION ONLY THE REDEEMER IS
PERFECT, DAVID. We participate in that which He, the second Adam lived out
from conception to ascension on our behalf. Our 'imperfections' are visible
to ourselves and to those about us, though redeemed.
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DAVEH: It seems to me that your below non-religious examples are
illogical, DavidM. Let me give you an example. If I were to ask you,
"Are you perfect before God?", you might answer from your perspective,
"Yes."
If on the other hand, I were to ask God, "Is DavidM is perfect?", he
might view it differently.
Do you see what I am getting at? If you ask the guy who had the car
painted if it is perfect, while he may say "yes", the guy painting the
car may have another contrasting perspective.
God is not asking us if we are perfect, he is commanding us to be
such. The question becomes what does perfection mean. Fortunately, he
qualifies it so that we don't have to worry about what or how man has
defined perfection. As stated in Matthew, whatever perfection there is
in God, that is how he commanded us to become.
David Miller wrote:
Christianity has been enamored by Calvin's teachings
and influence to portray every man as imperfect even after redemption.
Look at the word "perfect" in non-religious contexts. Someone eats a
really
good hamburger. They exclaim, "That burger was perfect! It could not
have
been made any better." Someone pays someone to paint their car a
certain
color and has very exact requirements. He picks the car up and the
painter
asks, "so, how do you like it?" The reply, "it is perfect!"
On and on, we can come up with examples like this where we use the word
perfect to mean that something is precisely according to our hopes and
expectations, but when it comes to our morality and our walk with God,
somehow the word "perfect" suddenly becomes taboo. Why, nobody can claim
that they truly walk without sinning against their neighbor! This has
more
to do with our culture walking in apostasy toward God and our desire to
excuse that apostasy than any change in the language of Scripture. It
has
more to do with our departure from what the Word of God teaches us about
our
completeness and perfection in Christ than with any change in the meaning
of
the word "perfect."
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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