Forget the 'OUR POSTS' business. Your post on this cut to the chase. Your dear old Dad has been labouring to say in a 1,000 posts what you said in one.
David: May I suggest that you hire Christine to do your writing for you? Or, Christine you may have misrepresented your dear old Dad on this point which, by the by, I believe you may have. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: July 07, 2005 14:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRIST > Lance wrote: > > If what you are saying is what he is saying.......No > > Problemo! > > Yes! Exactly. This is exactly what my father is > saying. > > When you take your eyes off of yourself and learn to > seek God then you will live a righteous life as a > righteous, favored child of God. > > Somehow (it seems) you read our posts to say we should > become obessed with obeidience to God, which should > logically (and practically) lead to frusteration. But > no, that frusteration shouldn't occur if you aren't > being self-absorbed in your walk. > > However, (and I think this is where you became > uncomfortable with my father's teachings) a follower > of Christ WILL live righteously. Because of my love of > God I will recognize gossip as it happens and rebuke > those present or refuse to participate. But those who > become frusterated, and wallow in their weakness, are > doing just that: wallowing. They are not climbing out > of it, and maturing to new levels of knowledge in > Christ. When you truly love God, you will love Him in > all you do. Another way of phrasing that is, when you > truly love God, you will not sin in all you do. > > Better? > > > Blessings! > > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If what you are saying is what he is saying.......No > > Problemo! I believe it > > to be rather a common understanding. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: July 07, 2005 12:33 > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN > > CHRIST > > > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > > Further, many will experience > > > > unimaginable frustration over their > > > > inability to attain to the unattainable. > > > > > > Is this event evidence of a false teaching? I > > don't > > > mind sharing with you that I was once frusterated > > with > > > myself about trying to live in holiness. I would > > go a > > > week without reading my Bible, and get depressed > > with > > > how I had not served God as I knew I should. Or I > > > would participate in gossip, and later feel guilty > > > about it. > > > > > > But this is not the kind of holiness my father is > > > exhorting you to practice. That is a form of > > > self-absorbed righteousness. The Lord showed me I > > was > > > trying to serve Him while keeping my eyes on > > myself. > > > > > > If a person chooses to love God, and desires to > > love > > > and worship Him in everything they do, they will > > not > > > become frusterated in their walk, because their > > > conscience will be clear. They walked in love, > > they > > > are full of God's love. Their focus is on their > > God, > > > rather than on themselves. The result is that I > > will > > > not usually forget to study my Bible. If I do > > forget, > > > I try to do better, but I do not experience > > > frusteration over it, because I love God. My > > > conscience is clear. What you are talking about is > > a > > > genuine concern, Lance, but my father is not > > endorsing > > > that kind of obeidience. > > > > > > > > > Blessings! > > > > > > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I do understand. > > > > > > > > Now, we are back to this matter of > > > > teaching/interpretation are we not, > > > > David. > > > > > > > > Example:This teaching in question (not to you > > but, > > > > to others). You believe > > > > it and, I'd assume that you also teach it. I > > believe > > > > that, at the very > > > > least, every member of your family believes it > > > > (whoops! not your wife as you > > > > described her as a worrier). I'd also suppose > > that > > > > you teach it in your home > > > > meeting. IFF (unthinkable for you, I know) you > > have > > > > not interpreted > > > > Scripture correctly on this point, then you, > > David, > > > > have generated a > > > > TRADITION. Further, many will experience > > > > unimaginable frustration over their > > > > inability to attain to the unattainable. Further > > > > yet, you (should this > > > > scenario be correct) you will have been > > deceived. > > > > Even further, one could > > > > not but wonder at the source of this deception, > > > > could one? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: July 07, 2005 10:59 > > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE > > IN > > > > CHRIST > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lance wrote: > > > > > > YES YOU DO LIVE WITH THAT! > > > > > > > > > > Let me rephrase and see if we are talking > > about > > > > the same thing. I live > > > > with > > > > > tradition, but I do not live with the > > tradition > > > > that tradition overrules > > > > > Scripture. Do you understand what I am > > saying? > > > > > > > > > > If there is a conflict between tradition and > > > > Scripture, the tradition goes > > > > > and a new, more Biblical tradition, is > > adopted. > > > > Do you understand this > > > > and > > > > > how it works in churches like ours? > > > > > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > > > David Miller. > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, > > seasoned > > > > with salt, that you may > > > > know how you ought to answer every man." > > > > (Colossians 4:6) > > > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > > > > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this > > > > list, send an email to > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be > > > > unsubscribed. 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