John wrote:
> I never saw the Presbyterian post !!
> Did that ever occur to you?
> Take a pill and enjoy life for a change.

Oh, great!  One of the guys who thinks I am too loose with my definition of 
sin is encouraging me to take drugs and enjoy life for a change!  No thank 
you, John.  It amazes me that intelligent people cannot see how your 
doctrine encourages sin.

Judy has mentioned her church affiliation many times.  Back in February you 
participated in a thread (meaning same subject line) where she very clearly 
outlined her affiliation there, using both the PCA acronym and using the 
word "Presbyterian."  More recently, last month, you directly responded to 
posts where she mentioned it using her normal acronym of PCA.  So no, it did 
not occur to me that you never saw the post, but it does occur to me that 
you did not comprehend the post, just like you do not understand most of her 
posts or mine.  I suspect that both Lance and Bill Taylor understood that 
she attends a Presbyterian church.

I'll tack that correspondence below for your consideration.  She mentions 
PCA (Presbyterian Church of America) twice.

I hope you consider what is below in the sense of realizing that you read 
posts much too superficially and fantasize all manner of stereotypes that 
are completely inaccurate.  You think you know me, but your characterization 
of me is about 5% accurate, just like it was of Judy.  Please consider 
talking about what you do know on this list, not about what you don't know.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apocrypha

If you are saying that we are to be like Him, conformed to His image  --  I 
say "duh  !!!!!"
It appears, howeer that we have regressed into monologue.
Jd

I'm talking about Truth and what the PCA have done via the Shorter Catechism 
is what doctrines of men
are doing constantly - you included JD.  Since His works were done before 
the foundation of the world and
it is written that we are predestined to be conformed to the "image of 
Christ" then it follows that this should be the 'chief end of man' doesn't 
it? - That is if God's Word means anything to us at all ....  and this has 
everything to do with relationship with Christ = jt

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:56:45 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am talking about a realtionship with Christ and you are talking about 
what?   Sorry, but I miss your point completely.
Jd

Interesting JD,
I've been attending an introductory class at the church we have been 
attending which is PCA. They identify with the Reformation and they like the 
Shorter Catechism.  I can't figure out why the first point in the Catechism 
does not say that the chief end of man is to be conformed to the image of 
Christ - after all this is what we have been predestined for and they 
believe in predestination. (Romans 8:29)  jt

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:12:20 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Not too bad of a question.   Quite often growth may appear to be 
vacillation.   If we define new birth as a putting on of Christ,  emphasis 
on a relationship,   then we might suppose that the resulting validation 
marking the difference between vacillation and growth is the benefit can see 
in the occurring changes.   If I am a better person,  growth has occurred. 
If I have become more distasteful, something is wrong with the relationship. 
After all, that is the way relationships work.  Soooo, "truth" can be said 
to exist IN THE BELIEVER if that believer becomes more and more like Christ.

JD


From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

JD are you Growing or Vacillating?

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