Same crowd that says ONLY Gop knows who are His & who are not, change tunes like I change socks!
--- Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A born again person who is right with God knows they are born again > and right with God. If they don't know this > it is a huge red flag - and this man was crying out for help..... > > No, this man was a strong, solid, dedicated believer. His problem > was, he had been deceived by people like you. Again, please just > leave me and my words, thoughts, posts out of your considerations. I > have ask you nicely now three times. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy Taylor > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:14 AM > Subject: [TruthTalk] John 16:13,14 > > > How terribly sad - did somebody counsel and pray with this man who > was obviously under conviction of the Spirit? > You are judging him by "outward appearances" Bill. You can't know > what goes on in the hearts of ppl - folk can make > a great showing after the flesh or some may just live in quiet > desperation. I would have taken this dear man seriously > enough to go over the scriptures and pray with him so he can be > sure of his eternal destiny rather than give him some > false assurance. > > A born again person who is right with God knows they are born again > and right with God. If they don't know this > it is a huge red flag - and this man was crying out for help..... > > > Bill writes: > Yes, in Christ in his resurrection, BUT not everyone is indwelt by > the Holy Spirit, that comes by way of belief or faith in Jesus > Christ. What we call our "conversion experience" does happen in this > lifetime, and sometimes this can be a profound and life-altering > experience; other times it is not so profound for people who have > grown up in the church and spent their lifetimes worshiping the Lord. > I think we are prone to base too much of our "faith" in religious > experience and not trained well enough at basing it in the object of > that faith: Jesus Christ. > > I watched a saintly ninety year old elder of our church break down > and weep because he did not know for sure if he had been "born > again." He had grown up in the church and could not remember a time > that he did not believed in Jesus Christ, yet he had never had one of > those earth-shaking conversion experiences that others had had. We, > the church, had placed so much emphasis on that "born again > experience" that we had misled godly people into doubting their > salvation. The weight of the world was upon this man's shoulders, and > he could not withstand the weight of it. He was as godly as anyone > you would ever meet, had served the Lord faithfully his whole life, > yet believe in "spiritual death" and the necessity to be "born again" > and thus could not place his finger on a point in his life when he > stopped being spiritually dead and started being a born again > believer. We did that to him -- not the Lord. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
