Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

[Blainerb473]

Blainerb:  What I hear Kevin saying is that he wants to eat, drink and be merry, but still be saved.  He wants to have his cake and eat it too.  His doctrine that all who confess Christ go to heaven basically means there is no hell for Christians, just for others who did not confess Christ, such as the billions of Chinese, Africans, Indians, etc., etc., etc., children included.   This traditional Christian faith is not just narrow, but extremely so. The same psychology was what led to Black slaves being defined as soulless, to Jews being scapegoated, to the American Indian being esteemed as nothing--killing one dealt with legally about the same as if you killed a dog.     In a message dated 7/26/2005 10:34:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You see, we are not all that different from traditional Christians like yourself huh?   Christians Believe in a Personal Relationship with Jesus LDS reject such. Bruce R. McConkie, stated that people who speak of a "special relationship with Christ" are guilty of "excessive zeal" and "pure sectarian nonsense." "Who Answers Prayers?" Sunstone Review (April 1982), 13   Christians Believe that the Blood of Jesus christ cleanses from ALL sin 1 JN 1:7 LDS The blood covers for some sins "Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much that is believed and taught on this subject, however, is such utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one’s salvation. For instance, many believe or pretend to believe that if we confess Christ with our lips and avow that we accept him as our personal savior, we are thereby saved. They say that his blood, without any other act than mere belief, makes us clean." WHAT THE MORMONS THINK OF CHRIST,  page 22 1976 edition   Christians believe in Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus...Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Romans 3:24, 28) LDS believe "What then is the law of justification?...... As with all other doctrines of salvation, justification is available because of the atoning sacrifice of Christ, but it becomes operative in the life of an individual only on conditions of personal righteousness." Mormon Doctrine, by Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, on page 408, under "Justification" MORMONS are NOT Chritians! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/26/2005 6:23:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, at least now I think I understand where you are coming from, and your bias against the term, although I don’t necessarily agree.  I still think that you can be alive physically but not alive to the things of God.  I was thinking about the terms born again vs born, and this caused me to think about the fact that an unborn fetus is alive, but it still needs to be born.  That is us spiritually—we can be physically born, but not born into the realm of God’s Kingdom.  We need to be quickened by the Holy Spirit.  What do you think of that analogy? I agree--as would most Mormons, Izzy.  That's because it is the truth as most Christians understand it.  You see, we are not all that different from traditional Christians like yourself huh? Blainerb