On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:22:23 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As I see it, they didn't. "Death" in Genesis only refers to
physical death.
I cannot think of anything that book that conflicts with that
statement. JD
jt: I can JD - Look at the "mystery of godliness" in
the 2nd Adam (1 Timothy 3:16)
God was manifested in the flesh
Justified or vindicated in the spirit
Why if the death was physical in the garden wasn't
he justified in the flesh?
We are propagating the same error all over again.
You are saying that God didn't mean what He said when
He told Adam
THE DAY you eat you shall surely die, not 960 yrs down the road.
Note: A day is defined in Genesis lest we get to
the 1,000 yr day speculations.
Is God like human parents who threaten but don't
follow through?
jd: I am saying that God, in His
grace, changed His mind.
Jere 18
makes it clear that He can do such.
jt: When you are God you can do anything you want but
why?
What evidence do you have that he changed his
mind?
In Jeremiah 18:8 He only relents on condition that they
repent.
jd: Could you help me find the reference in the
OT when
the writer finally got around to meaning
something other than
the inclusive of physical
death?
jt: A&E lost fellowship with God when they sinned
and both were
banished from His garden - By Genesis 6:3 the
gulf had gotten so
wide that God is saying "My Spirit
shall not strive with man
forever
for he is flesh" and man's days were
shortened to 120yrs (they are
even less now). The statement "he is flesh"
here does not mean
"he is a physical body"
jd: Is it not true that our bodies will be
raised on that last day,
transformed and (for some) presented with death
in the "lake of fire?"
jt: Yes, everyone will be raised on the last day, some
to life eternal and
others to everlasting
death.
jd: That death includes the whole man -
body, soul mind and spirit.
jt: The object is for the soul to be saved
from God's wrath JD which is against
all ungodliness and unrighteousness
of men and the redeemed will have a
transformed body; no guarantee that it is just like the
one you have right now
The disciples did not recognize Jesus on the road to
Emmaus and when
he appears to John the beloved in the book of
Revelation the one who once
leaned on his breast is terrified and falls on his
face.
jd: I am kinda of like DM on this
one -- the more I think about it, the
better I like it.
jt: Why? What's so great about the body you have
now?
judyt
There are two C's in the christian life
Either I am changing daily to be more like Christ
Or I am being chastised by Him
There are two C's in the christian life
Either I am changing daily to be more like Christ
Or I am being chastised by Him
