Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

[Bill Taylor]

IF it were the same, then how could you have existed prior to your reception of the Holy Spirit? In Christ is the existence of everything. Christ in you is exclusive in that he is present only in believers; hence their hope of glory.   Bill     ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:20 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death How's that? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:16 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death Yeah, I suppose so -- AS LONG AS YOU REALIZE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A METAPHOR NOW!   Your "spirit" is growing stronger because of Christ IN you via the Holy Spirit. That is different than you in Christ, in terms of your existence.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death And while I am metaphorically “sitting with Christ in the heavenlies”, my physical body is not—it is right here, going downhill, even as my spirit person is getting better every day in Christ.  So is my spirit in a different place than my body, Bill? Of course not.  This shows that one can use a metaphor to express something that is not a physical reality. Can one be spiritually dead w/o being physically dead? Of course.  izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Taylor Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death   Izzy, let's not be silly. You've got one body and it's getting older.   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death       Iz: I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-)  So are you agreeing with me that our physical bodies really are dying, Yes.   and you are speaking only metaphorically about our bodies being risen with Christ at the moment? Izzy Well, if I understand what you are getting at, this would not be metaphorical. I am talking about your existence, your being, that which holds you together and sustains you, and makes you real and gives you life. You do not have the power of existence in or of yourself. You are totally dependent on another for that. Neither does anyone else have this power. All existence is in Christ Jesus. It is in him that the real you exists. Bill      Izzy responds: So you are not being metaphorical about my PHYSICAL BODY being currently risen in Christ, sitting in heaven? Really!