Apparently you missed the post recently where I said we just
baptized 193 people at our church JD. Regarding your last sentence, I'm
all for it--why don't you give it a try? izzy
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I asked for examples of those who heard these words of Christ and were sent
into all the world (the 12 apostles). They and the other
evangelists, never used these very words - you must be born again in
order to be saved. Never. Why? We have thrown
water baptism out as that sacrament that symbolizes our inclusion in Christ and
have preached "the sinners prayer" as if this were a biblical
teaching. I would expect that if our doctrine were thiers of so many years ago, that we would talk or
act like them on some level.
JD
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JD, I give you scripture (You must be born again, for example) and
then you tell me it doesn?t count because
there was a better translation meaning another thing entirely, or it was a nonbiblical term, or then you don?t care if it?s a
biblical or not as long as it?s a biblical concept, or?????izzy
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So, no scripture. Thanks for
the admission. Outer space? John 3:21
He who does the truth COMES TO THE LIGHT, that his deeds might be clearly
seen, that they have been done in God."
In the above, "He who does
the truth" is complimented by "...they have been
done in God." We are ALREADY indwelt with the Spirit. That is part of
the reconciliation of all
things. Our acceptance of Christ, our receiving of this gift
is our turning to the LIGHT (repentance). When we do that, it becomes
manifestly clear
that God has been there all along. This verse makes it clear that we
are doing the truth BEFORE we come to the light and that this LIGHT reveals that
all our works HAVE BEEN DONE in God.
JD
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"from below" is the
alternative to "from above"--physical birth on earth. Your last sentence
is from outer space. iz
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And where is this "born from
below" in the text, or does this matter to you?
The "birth from above" or
"new birth" brings the manifestation of Christ into our lives.
And what does this manifestation accomplish -- it reveals that
God has been our partner all along !! (John
3:21).
JD
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Footnotes in the New King James and NASV show born "from above" to be a viable translation and my Brown/Comfort Greek interlinear English translation actually uses "born from above" rather than "born again."JD==========================================================================
Terry wrote:
Born
again is correct.
Izzy responds:
If you were born "from below" the first time, and "born from above" the
second time, wasn't the second time born "again"?
