David Miller wrote about Romans 8:3: >>> The passage very clearly speaks of Christ's being >>> sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, but you keep >> seeing that his flesh was unlike sinful flesh.
Judy wrote: >> Yep. Judy wrote: > That was the start of a comment that you > apparently deleted David. I did not delete your comment that followed this. I simply inserted my comments between your "yep" and what followed. The point is that express agreement with the idea that his flesh was unlike our sinful flesh, but the Bible teaches us that he came in the likeness of our sinful flesh. Judy wrote: > I keep seeing a flesh body which is like ours in > every way except for sin. He was undefiled and > separate from sinners (Heb 7:24) I think you meant Heb. 7:26. Yes, he is undefiled and separated from sinners, having now been exalted higher than the heavens. Yes, he was like us in every way except sin, meaning, he never sinned. This does not mean that he did not partake of the nature of fallen humanity. Scripture testifies otherwise, and you cannot pick and choose to accept certain passages without accepting others. Romans 8:3 says that he was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. You want to omit the adjective sinful, but the Holy Ghost inspired Paul to write sinful. David Miller wrote: >> So, then, you hold your own theology above the teaching >> of Scripture in Romans 8:3. Paul says Jesus came in the >> likeness of sinful flesh, but you say that his flesh was unlike >> sinful flesh. Judy wrote: > Paul did not add the adjective above David; Yes he did. Read the passage again: Romans 8:3 (3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: The adjective "sinful" is right there, Judy. Read it. Believe it. Jesus Christ the Son came in the likeness of SINFUL flesh, and FOR SIN. In 2 Cor. 5:21, it goes further and says that Jesus was MADE SIN for us. We are not demeaning Jesus Christ by speaking of the extent to which he tasted humanity for us. He tasted sickness and death. He tasted human nature and the desires of the flesh, but he never sinned. This was his victory. What kind of victory over the flesh would it be if he never had a flesh with the weaknesses that torment the rest of humanity? You cheapen Jesus Christ when you claim that he was created with an alien flesh, not of the seed of Adam, not of the seed of Abraham, not of the seed of David. Let none of us contradict the Scriptures in our understanding of who Jesus was and is. He was made like us in every way except that he did not sin. Although he did not sin, he came in the likeness of sinful flesh, and he was made sin for us, that we might be delivered from the power of sin ourselves. Judy wrote: > ... since you and Bill objected so strenuously to adding > the word spiritual to describe the type of death the first > Adam died, I'm sorry, Judy, but I do not believe that I ever objected at all to you adding the word "spiritual" to the type of death that the first Adam experienced. As I have told you before, I believe that Adam died both physically and spiritually that day, in a metaphorical sense. Judy wrote: > I am surprised that you are so willing to add > to scripture here. I have not added anything to Scripture. You are trying to subtract the word "sinful" from what Paul wrote in Romans 8:3. I only affirm what Scriptures teach, that Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh, for sin, to condemn sin in the flesh. Judy wrote: > We need to read Romans 8:3 in light > of Hebrews 7:24. Undefiled means undefiled. Sinful flesh does not defile a person. That is the point. The word "undefiled" in Hebrews 7:26 is used elsewhere in reference to people like you and me. When God sanctifies us, he makes us righteous despite the sinful nature of our flesh. He gives us power to live above it, in authority over it, because he too experienced it and knows how to conquer the flesh. David Miller wrote: >> His flesh was holy and set apart, in the same way that ours is when >> we come to saving faith in Jesus Christ. We are set apart, body, soul >> and spirit, to serve the Lord. However, this does not mean that the >> sinful >> nature of our flesh, its passion and desires to be selfish and bring us >> into >> disharmony with the spirit, has been eradicated. We must continually >> believe upon the Lord and die daily to the desires of the flesh. Jesus >> walked this same way, keeping his body under subjection. Judy wrote: > I don't think so David. His flesh was holy and set > apart from Mary's womb He was born with the > fullness of the indwelling Spirit and then anointed for > ministry at His baptism. I think you are confusing John the Baptist with Jesus now. John the Baptist is the one who is said to have been filled with the Holy Ghost from his mother's womb (Luke 1:15). Are you going to argue based upon this that John the Baptist also was born with a flesh that lacked the sinful nature? Your argument that he was holy, set apart, filled with the Spirit, anointed at baptism, etc., is irrelevant because it does not sufficiently distinguish Jesus from other men who have a sinful nature and yet also have all these other attributes that you are referencing. Judy wrote: > When I see you or some other Christian walking on > water, walking through hostile crowds wanting to > throw you off a cliff. Setting everyone free who comes > to you - no misses at all. No false prophecy .... > Everyone healed, delivered, and some raised from > the dead. You will then have my attention. Oh, so now you are ready to deny what Jesus taught in John 14:12 in order to keep your theology of Jesus not being sent in the likeness of sinful flesh? My ability or lack thereof has nothing to do with Jesus being manifested in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, who became sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God. Don't rob Jesus of his testimony of victory over sin just because you think I am weak and contemptible. Judy wrote: > Sin and our flesh is what hangs us up every time. > We don't understand God as we should, nor do > we consistently walk in His ways. I agree that this is a problem for all of humanity, but Jesus was manifested to resolve this problem. Now you sound like JD, Gary, and all the other Christians who glory in the fact that they are sinners. What happened to 1 John 3:5? Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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