RE: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

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I only know that I have a Savior who was tempted in all ways that I have been, and yet He did not sin.  Because of that He understands and is able to help me avoid sin, just as He did.  None of this would have been true if Jesus never tasted temptation.  Izzy   Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,    15and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.    16For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.    17Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.    18For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.     -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:16 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus   Terry wrote: >> This is a special person who looked like a man >> and ate like a man and felt pain like a man, >> but He had no sinful flesh.  He never had a >> desire to sin. > I just got home from having a catraact removed > and having a new lens put in. > ... let us just say for now that we see things > differenty and disagree.   I hope you recover quickly, Terry.  In case others are interested in picking up the discussion, I have another comment.   If Jesus felt pain like a man, as Terry affirms above, then he would be in a position to desire to sin.  For example, going to the cross is painful. This was God's will for Jesus.  Would he have sinned if he had not gone through with going to the cross?  If he considered the pain and shame he would have to endure on the cross, his flesh would have revolted at the idea of it.  His inner desire that comes from his body would have been that which would have desired not to submit himself to the painful and humiliating death of the cross.  This would have been the desire of his flesh, but the spirit would have led him to give his life as a ransom for everyone. Therefore, I don't know how anyone can admit that he felt pain like a man, but would never have a desire to sin.  You can't have it both ways.  If he felt pain, then he experienced the desire to sin.   The flesh is inherently selfish.  The flesh wants to sleep when the spirit wants to pray.  The flesh wants to eat when the spirit wants to fast.  The flesh wants to avoid pain when the spirit wants to help others regardless of sacrifice and pain.  The flesh wants privacy and relaxation when the spirit wants to take the homeless into one's home.  The spirit leads us to sacrifice while the flesh leads us away from sacrifice.  Jesus was victorious over the desires of the flesh.  He was a spiritual man who was victorious over the flesh.  You guys say that Jesus had no sinful flesh to be victorious over.  You claim that his life in this world was a cake walk for him.  You say he didn't even break a sweat.  I think you will be apologizing profusely to Jesus when you find out the real story of his manifold temptations.  No greater man has ever lived or will ever live. Jesus is my hero regardless of what you all say about him.   Peace be with you. David Miller.   ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.