Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

[Judy Taylor]

 

 

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:01:48 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

i don't know what DM would think of this  or BT, but maybe you are

getting hung up on SIN ful flesh.  Perhaps "likeness" carries with it the idea of "potential."  

He was in the likeness of sinful flesh because of the potential for sin that exists in man.   

 

jt: The temptations in the wilderness were valid and He had just as much opportunity to

make the wrong choice as the first Adam with more pressure since he was not in a garden of

delights with every need being met when these temptations presented themselves to him.

 

None on this site believe that Jesus was a sinner.  

 

jt: Anyone walking around in "sinful" flesh is a sinner by definition JD

 

The humility of Christ is seen in the fact that He came into our world.   As God, death,

temptation and obedience are not considerations.   But as man,  God became attached to

all of these considerations on our behalf.  

 

jt: Yes, it certainly is mind boggling and awe inspiring that he would do such a thing.  

 

From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>

Izzy, do you also believe that Jesus was born with a body of sinful flesh?

If this is so then can you or anyone explain to me why there had to be a virgin birth?  judyt

 

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:29:58 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I only know that I have a Savior who was tempted in all ways that I have been, and yet He did not sin.  Because of that He understands and is able to help me avoid sin, just as He did.  None of this would have been true if Jesus never tasted temptation.  Izzy

 

Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

   15and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

   16For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham.

   17Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

   18For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus

 

Terry wrote:

>> This is a special person who looked like a man

>> and ate like a man and felt pain like a man,

>> but He had no sinful flesh.  He never had a

>> desire to sin.

> I just got home from having a catraact removed

> and having a new lens put in.

> ... let us just say for now that we see things

> differenty and disagree.

 

I hope you recover quickly, Terry.  In case others are interested in picking

up the discussion, I have another comment.

 

If Jesus felt pain like a man, as Terry affirms above, then he would be in a

position to desire to sin.  For example, going to the cross is painful.

This was God's will for Jesus.  Would he have sinned if he had not gone

through with going to the cross?  If he considered the pain and shame he

would have to endure on the cross, his flesh would have revolted at the idea

of it.  His inner desire that comes from his body would have been that which

would have desired not to submit himself to the painful and humiliating

death of the cross.  This would have been the desire of his flesh, but the

spirit would have led him to give his life as a ransom for everyone.

Therefore, I don't know how anyone can admit that he felt pain like a man,

but would never have a desire to sin.  You can't have it both ways.  If he

felt pain, then he experienced the desire to sin.

 

The flesh is inherently selfish.  The flesh wants to sleep when the spirit

wants to pray.  The flesh wants to eat when the spirit wants to fast.  The

flesh wants to avoid pain when the spirit wants to help others regardless of

sacrifice and pain.  The flesh wants privacy and relaxation when the spirit

wants to take the homeless into one's home.  The spirit leads us to

sacrifice while the flesh leads us away from sacrifice.  Jesus was

victorious over the desires of the flesh.  He was a spiritual man who was

victorious over the flesh.  You guys say that Jesus had no sinful flesh to

be victorious over.  You claim that his life in this world was a cake walk

for him.  You say he didn't even break a sweat.  I think you will be

apologizing profusely to Jesus when you find out the real story of his

manifold temptations.  No greater man has ever lived or will ever live.

Jesus is my hero regardless of what you all say about him.

 

Peace be with you.

David Miller.

 

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