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From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:48:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creation & Evolution
John wrote: > ... it doesn't take 24 hours to say > "Let there be light." But you are saying that day 1 was millions of years. Doesn't your argument here discount your perspective more than mine?
I am saying that there is no time period to it at all. In 2:4, "day " applies to all of
creation -- all of the days of creation. Did God speak all things into being? I don't
koow. He could hae used a process. No problem for me.
\ It might not take 24 hours to SAY, "Let there be light," but I have no idea how long a process it would be for light to come into being after saying it. The Bible says, "and the evening and the morning were the first day." Shouldn't I believe that? Why say "evening and morning" if not to convey to me a length of time with which I am familiar?
Here you allow for a process, as do I. Creative processes take longer than 24 hours, IMO. John wrote: > i d not defend evolution. Why do you think each day was millions of years? I don't know how long each day of creation was.
But I am confident that it was not 24 hours. Could be, however, philosophically speaking.
Is there something in the Bible that gives you some indication of this? It seems to me that the issue of time has only come up with the development of evolutionary theory. It seems to me that the only motivation for long time in Genesis is to try and accomodate evoluionary theory. Please show me where I am wrong in my thinking here. What Biblical text leads you to believe that each day was millions of years (as opposed to 1 day, 1 week, 1 year, 1 thousand years, 1 million years, 1 billion years, 1 trillion years, etc.).
Gen 2:4 and the use of "day" in that text is clearly not a 24 hour period. "A day is as a thousand years " -- although in the Greek text, spoken to a Hebrew people. Jere 31:31 "in the day when I took them by the hand and lead them ....." I could show maybe 20 or 30 passages
where "day" (yom) is used to describe something other than a 24 hour period of time. John wrote: > Day 3 we have the creation of greenery. but none > of it had yet sprouted (Gen 2:5). That is a very interesting viewpoint that I do not believe I have ever heard. Did you come up with this on your own? Yes, as much as that is p[ossible. Apparently you do not view Genesis 1 & Genesis 2 as two different accounts. I view them as two different accounts of the same creation event. Genesis 1 I view as the scientific / chronological account. Genesis 2 I view as the architect's account, the blueprint of the mind of God giving us the philosophical why of creation. A new one for me. John wrote: > God causes seedling growth only after he made man > (6th day) and the sun (Gen 2:9)Seeds do not need > sun, of course. No need, no problemo. Genesis 1:11-13 (11) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. (12) And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (13) And the evening and the morning were the third day. Genesis 2:4-6 (4) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, (5) And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (6) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. Genesis 1 definitely mentions grasses and herbs and angiosperms (fruit bearing trees), which themselves BEAR SEED. Seeds do not bear seeds themselves. Rather, it is the mature plant that bears seed. It seems to me that these two accounts are telling us that God did not create seeds and cause them to grow, but rather he created the plants themselves, without seeds, and created them to bear seeds. Genesis 2 has God creating man before plants and animals. Genesis 1 has God creating plants and animals before man. Why the opposite sequence? It seems to me that Genesis 2 gives us the mind of God, showing us that in God's mind, he was creating plants and animals for man, even though the actual scientific sequence was in a different order.
you assume the order of creation in chapter two is different than that of chapter one.
I do not. I see chapter two as the untold and continuing story. God finished almost nothing (as I remember this personal study of some years ago ) in the same day it was begun. For you to argue
that the "scientific" order is one thing and the theological order is not only different but
understandably different is a strange approach. In Genesis 1, third day creation specifically says that the trees were created "with seen in them." I am sure you know this, soooooo, I miss your point.
will give it some attention. Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
